Intergalactic Summit

Again. This is not a debate, Ishukone-Raata is looking for a mutual trade agreement. We are not here to needlessly argue about Ishukone's past dealings.

I don't view it as needless. This isn't squabbling for the sake of the past, but rather concern for the future. A company's past dealings are the basis for its reputation and honor. If Ishukone partnered itself with the Republic, would it act with honor and fairness?

Mmhm.. What I mean to say is that if you have concerns, comments, questions.. and are truly interested in working toward a cooperative agreement you should be doing so in private. Conducting business with outsider interests involved proves to be more hassle then its worth.

Teraa Matar aren't.

My previous post explains some of my own opinions, but also makes a point of saying that we are not dismissing Ishukone's current ventures. Which we certainly would not, just for emphasis.

Trade with both the Amarr Empire and the Minmatar Republic is not mutually exclusive, especially for most Caldari megas, the liberal ones in particular. Most of the megas, be them Caldari or not, hold trade agreements with megas of the opposite side on a daily basis, even with the current war going on.

Believing that Ishukone will give up on the market of TCMCs with the Khanid Kingdom and some Amarrian Holders just because one of their capsuleer subsidiaries have concluded volatile deals with a few Minmatar capsuleer entities sounds a little stretched to me.

The same way, believing that the Caldari megas will break their current biggest trade agreements with the Tash Murkon family that allowed them to get out of their last economic crysis, or cancel the exploitation agreements they concluded with the Ammatar Mandate a decade ago in exchange of Caldari trade and goods, is pure utopy.

What a lot of people fail to understand is that they are most of the time dealing with megacorporations in the case of the State, and not with political entities.

Ah, that's quite fine. Admittedly, I'd misread.

Many of you are saying that the State supports slavery. It does not. Let's make that clear. Yes the State is allies with the Amarr Empire, but we also are not the type to tell someone else how to rule their own empire. In other words we are not going to tell the Amarr how to be the Amarr. They want to hold slaves because it's part of their religion and cultural history then fine let them do so. We may not like it, but it's also none of our business how they run their own affairs.

As for TCMCs, did Ishukone sell them to the Amarr? Yes. Did they market them towards workforce control? Yes. That's old news, and opinions should have already been drawn about that. TCMCs can be used as a means of controlling slaves. Big news. They're also more humane and easier to undo than Vitoc, but no one seems to have thought to mention that. This is the last I will speak on this topic.

If any of you have serious interest or questions about the trade agreement you know how to contact us. If you don't want to be part of the trade agreement then we will simply move forward without you.

I believe this thread has reached any maximum of usefulness.

We get it. You're butthurt because Zainou Biotech modified the TCMC and Ishukone decided to sell it to somebody you dislike, so now you're not interested in doing business for any subsidiary of us. But I guess that thought never crossed your mind when you welcomed Hilen Tukoss, Program Director at the Otosela Neuropsychology Center for Zainou Biotech, into the Republic. I'll let the implications of that speak for itself.

I find it amusing that the Republic would so readily accept Ishukone into their borders when it harms us, but are unwilling to truly cooperate and work together.

Yes. Kindly take Electus Matari out of the thread then so more open minded organizations can make use of it.

Apparently the part where you're not included in that group is still not quite clear...

EDIT:

You and Gotti have shown no willingness to take the offer presented by I-RED. You've only posted in this thread to lambast and mock the spirit of the offer by bringing up old grievances. So, when someone does the same to you, you feel 'insulted'.

You were asked to leave the thread because you have no part in it other than crying foul for something in the past. This isn't insulting. It's to be expected.

If you have no interest in the offer, then yes... please, get out.

Final Note:

You do not speak for all or even most Matari. You are a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of Minmatar society, no matter how much power you think you wield. If we cannot find a Capsuleer organization to work with, we still have the entire rest of Minmatar society to work with... societies who greatly need an influx of capital and goods through legitimate trade and support.

You EM Capsuleers have the luxury of turning down genuine support and free trade in favor of your misguided perceived grudge against us. They do not.