Intergalactic Summit

To be fair, Gottii, this is less a case of "giving money to the enemy" and more a case of conducting legitimate trade with a capsuleer organization that happens to be a subsidary of Ishukone.

Additionally, think of this from a business standpoint. If Ishukone is willing to do business with the Republic, do you think it would still conduct activities that would harm its reputation with its new trade partner? In business, reputation itself is an important asset.

If Ishukone is willing to do trade with and invest in the Republic (investments being something dearly needed), even in spite of past disagreements, I think it's clear what sort of reputation the company wishes to build. At the very least, there shouldn't be harm in simply talking things over. Worst-case scenario, one can always politely decline trade relations and get on with their lives.

Perhaps that will help, or must everything be disclosed for the public to see?

Ishukone-Raata and Electus Matari once called each other friends. Some of the reasoning behind this move is a rebuilding of relations that your pilots were more then happy to destroy along with the Ishukone Watch vessel commanded by Miko Frunze who was operating well within the limits of Caldari Law.

Perhaps you should look to the future, but instead you dwell on the past.



Not friends, just partners.

Without taking further stance on the issue, I find this logic faulty.

To give a (hopefully) clarifying example, how would you feel about a "legitimate trade with a capsuleer organization that happens to be a subsidiary of the Amarrian Navy"? It seems to me that for your argument, it would be more important to prove that Ishukone in this context is different from the Enemy, than it is to point out that the subsidiary of Ishukone in question is a capsuleer one.

Towards that goal, how do you justify the claim that the Republic's issue with Ishukone is a past disagreement? Is there a reason to suspect that they have suddenly stopped being interested in selling high-tech slave control gear to their Amarrian allies?


To you and some other I-RED commenting on this here and on real-time channels: please note that it is rarely beneficial to publicly insult people you apparently wish to have better relations with.

Your naievity is breathtaking.

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If the vendor were to dictate what the product is to be used for, their sales pitch would sound something like this:

"By offering to keep prices low and affordable, many holders may now benefit from their numerous applications as a method of workforce control."

But who cares, right? It was just business. And capsuleers are quick to forget...

I can admire a corporation that manages to sell to both sides in a conflict.

I'm sure after the first few Matari representatives return from their meetings with IRED with suddenly "improved" attitudes they'll be most cooperative.

When the Federation invests in the Republic, some Minmatar call it 'meddling'. When the State invests in the Republic, some Minmatar call it 'welcomed'.

Putting aside the fact that ethnicity-based tribes and a profit-based corporations have nothing in common with one another, one has to remember that, when the Gallente invested in the Republic, they at least have some moral conviction to do so; a commitment to Federal ideals and all that (even if cynics may call this just a cloak ). Even from a purely pragmatic outlook, the Federation's population is one-third Minmatar. The two nations are thus interdependent on one another, a lot. It would be foolish for the Federation to not invest in the Republic, and vice versa.

Meanwhile, the Caldari have no moral conviction in their traditions to assist a foreign population. A while ago, Caldari pilot Hamish Grayson pointed out that a Caldari Liberal mindset has nothing to do with the Gallentean ideals of peace and cooperation, but more the fact that the State can benefit domestically from peaceful foreign trade. While that may be his own opinion, one needs to remember the Caldari are an inward-looking people, and VERY different from "saviours of the galaxy" Gallente. Therefore, from this less optimistic outlook, a Liberal corporation investing in the Minmatar Republic is motivated purely out of self-gain.

While I support Ishukone's grasp of the bigger picture in New Eden, I just thought I would point out this laughable discrepancy that Minmatar pilots sometimes make.

No one is denying the Federation's role in aiding the Matari people, Seriphyn. But why not attract as many investors and trade partners as possible? So long, of course, as old friends are not angered and scared off and your own culture and people forgotten in the process. That is why, while I remain optimistic, I am cautiously so.