Science & Industry

Actually there one way to make production better.

Create select all available slots button or something, so we can start multiple jobs at once.

1: If you can't make a T2 item at a profit, you're A: an idiot who didn't do the math in advance and is now stuck with pointless t2 BPCs, or B: too fixed on what you think will make profit. Plenty of T2 stuff can make profits from invented BPCs.

2: Datacore changes are coming. They're going to move some to FW. Going to have to see how that goes.

3: Moon goo changes are coming. Suggestions about Alchemy and Moon mining as new sources for the 'bottleneck' goos.

4: No need. 'Perfect' ME is, generally, pointless. Remember, double the ME, half the waste. As with all things in Eve, diminishing returns kicks in. With an Erebus, for example, ME 0 is 10 billion in waste. ME 1 is 5. That's half a year or research. But you're saving 5 /billion/. 5% of the build cost. ME 2 is only saving you an additional 1.6 billion. Is that worth it?


As the others have said, the ability to start multiple identical jobs would be nice, pretty much eliminating the clickfest (which was reduced recently by the range being remembered). Not much else needs changes.

Nice try.

Someone else asking for an Easy Button. *sigh*

I am a very experienced industrialist. I started the game in July 2007 and trained Production Efficiency 5 in September 2007. I have been manufacturing for profit for nearly 5 years now: Ammo, Rigs, T1 Equipment, Ships, Capitals, T2. (I never got into T3.) I have manufactured in high sec and in null sec. I even manufactured in low sec for a while.

I got tired of mining, ratting, and mission running long ago. Nearly all of my income for the past three years has either come from manufacturing, T2 invention, or from trading in the goods I manufacture. I have never owned a T2 BPO.

Here is a concept that seems very basic, but you (and many other people on this forum) obviously don't understand:

Primary Producers (miners, moongoo farmers, PI farmers, Datacore farmers) produce the raw materials.
Manufacturers (me) take the raw materials and turn them into useful goods, increasing their value.
Consumers buy the finished goods. The price they pay mostly goes to the primary producers, and the manufacturers get a profit for the increased value they generate.


1) Researching BPCs is one of the worst ideas I have ever heard of, yet it keeps appearing on the forums time after time. What do you expect to gain from this?

All of my invention and manufacturing input costs are already passed on to my customers. I get a profit on top of that. Imagine if T2 BPC could be researched. Then every inventor will start researching their BPCs. The input costs for every inventor will go down, which means every inventor will have more room to lower their prices. Lower sell prices mean LESS profits for inventors. So you are really asking me to do a lot more work (researching my BPCs) to chase after lower profits.

I hate you.


2) I really don't understand what you are getting at with the datacore suggestion. Datacores are already freely available on the market. If they are cheaper in a different region, then you can decide if it is worth your time to buy them and haul them in. If every datacore is available from every agent, that would homogonize datacore prices, but who cares? If one datacore costs more than another, then the T2 items made from those datacores will also cost more. Datacore farmers can move their farming to the higher priced datacores. Later, there will be a glut of that kind on the market pushing prices down. The market goes in cycles. Working as intended.


3) For moongoo, again lowering input costs does not translate into more profits for manufacturers. If you lower the cost of technetium, then consumers will see lower prices from everything made from technetium. The losers are the primary producers-the alliances that hold tech moons. I admit I am jealous of those alliances and would not cry if they got their income slashed. But again, this proposal does not change manufacturing profits.


4) Now this proposal is different. I have an extensive library of well-researched T1 BPOs. Having a well-researched BPO is one of the ways one manufacturer can differentiate himself from all the others. But he must also weigh the opportunity cost of researching it: Build now and get a profit now, or research, get no profit now, and potential slightly higher profits later.

Nobody really NEEDS a perfectly researched BPO. If you want to manufacture that item for profit, you just need a competitive research level to your competition. If research times are sped up, then everyone will research their blueprints to higher levels than today. Everyone's costs are homogonized. Manufacturing profits remain unchanged for people who have average-researched blueprints. Manufacturing profits go down for people with well-researched blueprints.

I hate you again.


Wait a minute! Has this whole thread been another T2 BPO whine? You know there are already two T2 BPO whine threads on the front page? Are you Brewlar Kuvakei's alt, throwing around unfounded accusations?

As soon as the T20 scandal came to light, people were punished and the BPOs were removed from the game.

The T2 lottery did not fail. It did exactly what it was intended to do, distribute thousands of BPOs to random people. I wish I were around at the time to take part.

What is wrong with the seeding of T1 BPOs? They are freely available to everyone willing to travel a bit to get them. Those people who are willing to travel also have the business opportunity bringing BPOs to those who don't--and gain a little profit in the process.

Finally, why should the system be fair? This is a PVP game. I guarantee you that CCP and the general public LIKE the fact that in this game there are ways to gain an advantage over your competition.

While your whole post was great




This was my favourite part

And I am all for the less clicky feature too....

Stop shitting up every S&I thread with your crusade against something that doesn't stop anyone else from making ISK.

This would severely tick me off. I don't want to be forced into researching items I do not need to research now. I actually loved it when pi item BPOs were added that are not affected by research.

Other ideas to make industry better, even the most simple, have gotten little to no reply from devs.I practically had to hound a UI dev just to get them to answer if they are even thinking of improving industry.

Streamlined clicking and enabling the creation of multiple jobs of the same type at once will create real economies of scale more than anything else ^.^