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What is a carebear to you?
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Rikanin
Mining Reloaded
The Commonwealth.
#21 - 2012-05-01 12:00:31 UTC
Tillin Sylph wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Mostly people who live in the uber safe space of 0.0, with the multiple intel channels the biggest risk is the odd awoxer.



Oh hey yeah because secure null sec space absolutely does not take a massive combined effort from thousands of players in an alliance to claim and hold does it?

You awful, awful pubbie.


You stupid, stupid goon.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-05-01 12:02:19 UTC
I'd class carebears as the risk adverse players who want to be able to "do something else while I play", so basically bio botting the game.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#23 - 2012-05-01 12:06:49 UTC
Rikanin wrote:

You stupid, stupid goon.


Oh, its easy to make space secure? Go take some and do so then.

Not only that, but the risks present in 0.0 are far more common. You pretty much can't predict when someone decides to log in a cyno alt and hotdrop a gank squad on top of you, and roaming gangs are extremely common.
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#24 - 2012-05-01 12:07:24 UTC
Non-agressive players.

Carebears [as the fuckin' name implies, dummies] are players who do not agress other players, and wish to remain apart from all hostility, or chance for hostility.

AK

This space for rent.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-05-01 12:11:38 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
Carebears are risk adverse, here are a couple examples

1. People who don't like getting shot by titan XL guns, ask for a nerf
2. People who shoot hulks using destroyers, because battleships are non-insurable
3. People who complain highsec is too safe, but cry when CONCORD is buffed after finding loopholes
4. People who complain incursions produce too much isk, but want to shoot people instead of competing for isk
5. People....certain conditions apply advantages to themselves...not to others but not ok when others ask the same in return

No matter how you whine it...one side doesn't like something but can't cope when other side does something to them but then other side complains when the one side ups them (<-- too confusing, but nobody likes it when the other has the advantage in something but neither side likes it when the other side gains the advantage). We are all carebears, doesn't matter if you pull the trigger since you are throwing away the ship or just sitting in a belt.

How about

"Fly what you can afford to replace, but don't admit that you are risk adverse to losing something of value so long as you can smash up something of value to the other guy - - maybe its time CCP creates skill point loss when ever your ship is destroyed since isk / items are replacable but time isn't Twisted"

How about: "Someone who can't even show their face because they are afraid of the (imaginary) repercussions?

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#26 - 2012-05-01 12:13:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinstar Colton
To say that Carebears are defined by being risk-adverse is a misnomer. PVPers, no matter how hardcore, are partially risk adverse too. For the same reason Carebears are hesitant to take their mining ship outside of high sec is the same reason a PVPer might be hesitant to take their T2 fully faction module fitted Battleship out into unfriendly space alone.

A carebear is simply a player who does not wish to engage in other players in direct combat. EVE is more of an economic simulator than a combat simulator to them.

The reason why EVE is so great is that it's combat elements and economic elements are equally complex and interesting. Not everyone is going to enjoy the deep minutia of combat, just like not everyone is going to enjoy playing the market.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Moto Akimoto
Tengu and Cash
#27 - 2012-05-01 12:17:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Moto Akimoto
Sorry, wrong thread
Skex Relbore
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-05-01 12:21:52 UTC
Someone who doesn't PVP

And I'm not talking that silly "Market PVP" I mean PVP that results in character death.

The term traces back to at least Everquest where Carebear was used to refer to everyone who didn't play on one of the PVP servers.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#29 - 2012-05-01 12:36:06 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
To say that Carebears are defined by being risk-adverse is a misnomer. PVPers, no matter how hardcore, are partially risk adverse too. For the same reason Carebears are hesitant to take their mining ship outside of high sec is the same reason a PVPer might be hesitant to take their T2 fully faction module fitted Battleship out into unfriendly space alone.

A carebear is simply a player who does not wish to engage in other players in direct combat. EVE is more of an economic simulator than a combat simulator to them.

The reason why EVE is so great is that it's combat elements and economic elements are equally complex and interesting. Not everyone is going to enjoy the deep minutia of combat, just like not everyone is going to enjoy playing the market.


Dear sir, your vocabulary is hurting my brains. Please to be looking up the words "averse", "adverse" and "misnomer" and using them correctly in the future.

Thank you.

- The Erudite Community

P.S. The posessive form of "its" has no apostrophe.


(Couldn't help it, sorry. You went to so much trouble to sound all authoritative and edumacated, and then blew it.)

:)

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-05-01 12:44:40 UTC
They are those that lack the will to adventure!

Ferox #1
Rekon X
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-05-01 13:01:51 UTC
Anyone in hisec.

Yes, even the so called pvp'ers.

I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all.
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#32 - 2012-05-01 13:10:27 UTC

The null sec'ers who constantly cry for cloaks to be nerfed because an AFK cloaker halts all activity in 'their' system

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Corbin Blair
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-05-01 13:12:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Corbin Blair
A carebear is a little sissy who's terrified of any sort of risk or conflict. Generally this goes hand in hand with a massive sense of entitlement and a stubborn denial of any and all responsibility for their own circumstances. When a good player dies he thinks "What did I do wrong and how do I avoid doing it next time.". When a carebear dies he thinks "Waaaah I died. Mommy CCP protect me!".

War Kitten wrote:

Thank you.

- The Erudite Community

Use bigger words. Thank you.

-The Sesquipedalian Community.
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-05-01 16:21:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Sigurd Sig Hansen
Large Collidable Object wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:


-ppl who QQ about a ship so much CCP has to nerf the tank of said ship just cause the QQers cant kill it - or "it takes too long qqqqqq" (DRAEK - well unless as with the new ones BCs actually ARENT meant to HAVE tanks)



Well - the reason I brought up Drakes was because it's a ship a typical carebear would bring to a fleet (if given the choice - a blob calling for them is a different issue) because it's the one ship you typically don't get primaried in (high tank/dps ratio) - could have been Mallers or Prophecies as well, but then, nobody flies them.

The only issue I personally have with Drakes is the fact so many people fly them, because monotony is boring - same goes for Canes.


Thought they were nerfing them cause theyre TOO widely used? Unless all those Goon or someone I cant remember who Drake fleets I hear about from time to time are just jokes.
Hell I saw a killmail for a Tengu the other day where the attackers were FOURTY SEVEN drakes O.o
Dont think just carebears fly em in 0.0

Antisocial Malkavian wrote:

"carebears are players who usually don't do PVP but have the skills for combat and could hold their own in a fight, likely kick your ass. Carebears have the teeth, the balls to back it up. They're not psycho teenage PVP speedfreaks, but they can kick your ass anyway" -- Ill admit that was a new one



what -.-

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#35 - 2012-05-01 16:30:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Davst wrote:
Conversation is from the Mining channel


Ya I left that part out on purpose
The inevitable "Well THERES yer problem!"

Quote:
and was one of the lamer conversations we've had in there.


Given the conversations we have HERE regularly, THIS isnt THAT bad.
**** the Mittens qq BS is STILL around

Quote:
As I said there, the term carebear is much older than Eve, and it specifically refers to someone who doesn't partake of PvP and instead focuses on the PvE aspect of the game. In a pvp-centric game such as Eve (or old school UO, where the term was coined) it has an extremely negative connotation, as many would argue the PvP is the entire point and a PvEer is simply acquiring items without any real purpose but to acquire even more items.


as I NEVER said here, that it was a EVE only term... So most of this is worthless.
I asked what it means to you... the forum going public... MAINLY cause of that one guy's extremely laughable definition that they CAN PVP and will kick your ass lol Cause I thought it was funny and thought others might as well.

Aqriue wrote:

2. People who shoot hulks using destroyers, because battleships are non-insurable


I was under the impression any ship killed by CONCORD got no insurance

quote: Akirei Scytale
"Oh, its easy to make space secure? Go take some and do so then.
Not only that, but the risks present in 0.0 are far more common. You pretty much can't predict when someone decides to log in a cyno alt and hotdrop a gank squad on top of you, and roaming gangs are extremely common."

Pssst you arent part of Goons anymore (supposedly) you dont have to stick up for them

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#36 - 2012-05-01 16:32:29 UTC
Carebear - Dead weight... effectively a NPC. Carebears are not real people. Roll

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#37 - 2012-05-01 16:36:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Asuri Kinnes wrote:

How about: "Someone who can't even show their face because they are afraid of the (imaginary) repercussions?


WOW
"Imaginary" things interfere with your real life too?
I thought I was the only one!!!

Skex Relbore wrote:


And I'm not talking that silly "Market PVP"


"silly market PVP"? I think the devs would like a word with you in your definition of PVP but thats another thread...
Please dont derail my carebear thread with what is PVP

Rekon X wrote:
Anyone in hisec.

Yes, even the so called pvp'ers.


Even the gankers? So what about PVE'ers in null? I keep hearing the term "Nullbear" too. Whats that then?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

SNeAkYbRiT
Gunslingers Corp
#38 - 2012-05-01 16:43:50 UTC  |  Edited by: SNeAkYbRiT
Im a carebear and to be honest I lol everytime I see threads like this...to many nerds wanting to prove how tough they are.

Reason I found myself being a carebear is cos I can't be arsed to be a sheep following someone else's idea of how to play.

Plus I'm one of those mentally ill people, yes mentally ill, oh the horror, so I don't play well with others :( oh well **** happens and idiots continue to rule.



*Edit* changed morons for idiots cos I didn't know there was an alliance called Morons lol damn im so carebear I just have to cuddle myself Big smile
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-05-01 16:44:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Xython
A Carebear is a PVEer scrub in a PVP game who, when experiencing some form of difficulty with other players, wishes to force the game's rules to change in lieu of them changing their playstyle.

For example, rather than fit a tank to deter gankers, or fly a different ship temporarily, or bring along friends who can fight back, these most pathetic of slugs would rather demand CCP make their hulks invincible.

Of course, they rarely state outright they wish to be invincible, instead they simply extend the goalposts of what they feel is acceptable vulnerability -- goalposts which are always on the other side of where they currently are. In other words, it's only acceptable vulnerability if they are not vulnerable at any given time.

In any other situation this would be laughable ("I don't think I should have to risk losing a covops ship, all I'm doing is probing for wormholes and anoms, you should make it so I can probe while stealthed and can't be targeted when unstealthed."), but these pathetic wretches are oh so tiresome and loud in their bitching and moaning...
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#40 - 2012-05-01 16:51:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:


Thought they were nerfing them cause theyre TOO widely used? Unless all those Goon or someone I cant remember who Drake fleets I hear about from time to time are just jokes.
Hell I saw a killmail for a Tengu the other day where the attackers were FOURTY SEVEN drakes O.o
Dont think just carebears fly em in 0.0




Sheesh! As I said I just picked it because it's widely used and you can but the most clueless chimp without the slightest idea of game mechanic into one and still expect him to do some damage or at least soak some up.

Just insert any ship instead of the Drake - the point I was trying to make was that 50 tough-guy weekend PvPers camping a gate in tanky, cheap ships are way more risk averse than the one R&D guy in his industrial flying around in lowsec every day.

Xython wrote:


"I don't think I should have to risk losing a covops ship, all I'm doing is probing for wormholes and anoms, you should make it so I can probe while stealthed... "



Umm? Is this some sort of troll I'm falling for? I always probe whilst being stealthed...
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)