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@CCP - breach of national laws

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roboto212
EVE University
Ivy League
#161 - 2012-05-02 01:44:07 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
roboto212 wrote:

For the record I am no layer too.


In the sense that you never have and never will lay with a woman, that is strictly correct.


lol that's about the wittiest thing i have ever heard from a goon.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#162 - 2012-05-02 01:50:11 UTC
roboto212 wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
roboto212 wrote:

For the record I am no layer too.


In the sense that you never have and never will lay with a woman, that is strictly correct.


lol that's about the wittiest thing i have ever heard from a goon.


Read more goon posts then, I'm not even close to being the Tyrion Lannister of GoonWaffe.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#163 - 2012-05-02 02:02:56 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
:words:


Sorry I am no layer


This is awesome, could you teach the other CCPs like Phantom and guard to be awesome as well?


He can't the other devs weren't Goonfleet CEOs.


CCP Devs should be forced to go through a posting gauntlet in FYAD.

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Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#164 - 2012-05-02 02:08:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarn Kugisa
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Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#165 - 2012-05-02 02:23:57 UTC
I like this, I only wish it would happen in game more instead of the forums all the time.

Ferox #1
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#166 - 2012-05-02 02:58:13 UTC
Geil Ding wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Can someone please just post an image of the API key creation page where you need to purposefully check mail messages for them to be included and end this thread?

I'd do it but I'm lazy and tired and today's a holiday so I'm watching movies.


I miss the option where MY mails are excluded from the API of another player. Aside of the legal aspect, what do you think what will happen with the ingame features "corp mail" and "alliance mail" when sites like these will become more common?


Once you send them to another person, they aren't 'your mails' anymore.

Still waiting for that law sweetheart.
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#167 - 2012-05-02 03:02:58 UTC
Geil Ding wrote:

I am no layer, but as a developer I ain't allowed to make certain information public. This website and the use of the API has red flags all over them. I just here to point the red flags for you guys to make an educated decision.

As a player I really find this wrong. Meta gaming and spying has always been a part of EvE, but this is wrong. There is no interaction anymore, everything is automated.


Yes, because you signed an NDA preventing you from doing that. You voluntarily take on extra restrictions as part of your business. And if you choose to breach those regulations by sending the information to another person, the ISP is not liable and that third party has -no such restrictions- on them. (Excluding certain types of classified information)

So if you accidently mail the details on your next big corporate merger to someone from CNN and they publish it, the only person who is going to be hit by the law train is you. Not your ISP, not CNN, not the readers. Just you.

What you should be doing when you recruit a new person into your corp is fly to their house and make them sign an NDA, then you could legitimately sue them (not CCP!) for releasing your corporate secrets.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#168 - 2012-05-02 03:05:28 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
:words:


Sorry I am no layer


This is awesome, could you teach the other CCPs like Phantom and guard to be awesome as well?


He can't the other devs weren't Goonfleet CEOs.


CCP Devs should be forced to go through a posting gauntlet in FYAD.


Careful what you wish for.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
D3F4ULT
#169 - 2012-05-02 03:10:43 UTC
This indeed is why CCP Devs are the best devs. You can not troll a troll.

"Bow down before the one you serve, you're going to get what you deserve"
Spymaster Bates
Doomheim
#170 - 2012-05-02 06:23:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Spymaster Bates
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If you stop pretending there's a legal aspect I'm happy to explain this to you.


<3 the Devs.

I think we can be done with the thread.

Lessons learned since EvE Skunks Launch.


  • Whiners gonna whine
  • Leaking intel is fun
  • The tears from this thread have sated my hunger for a small time
  • EvE Devs are the best trolls

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Aglea Toralen
Doomheim
#171 - 2012-05-02 09:39:01 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
For clarification this appears to be them attempting to harvest API keys.

:edit: Well if by "harvest" I meant just openly asking for them


CCP Sreegs,

Does this mean the care bear tears will increase now ... it would seem while CCP hasn't endorsed it, there is no condemnation of it either... seeing as my account hasn't been banned/no cease and desist letter has been sent.

Also, I invite you to post your API for CCP Sreegs on the site, I'm sure we'd all love to see the alliance emails for CCP.... Surely there is a disgruntled employee somewhere in CCP! It will remain anonymous and no personal or corporate email will be published!
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#172 - 2012-05-02 12:30:38 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:

Whilst I do not support the insanity of capsuleer Geil Ding; what would occur if you sent your mail to someone else who has chosen to unlock their neural interface? Would your communication not become visible? They could even simply copy the text and include it in a mail of their own.

There is an old earth saying: "If you would keep your secret from an enemy, tell it not to a friend."

Regards,

Shian Yang


One can easy put the blame then with the one who chose to unlock their neural interface.
However the initial blame lies with the one who chose to reveal his mail in the first place.

Older earth saying: " Don't blame the rock when you trip over it"

As soon I myself decide to reveal mails to someone, the responcebility I had to keep certain affairs safe and hidden still remained with me.
I choce to reveal the mails in the first place so any actions that come out of it remain my own responcebility.
The only actions I control are my own. For the rest I know or should have known that there is no control.
Karbowiak
Sacred Templars
Fraternity.
#173 - 2012-05-02 12:34:26 UTC
All you whining idiots, do realise that.

1: This has always happened, albeit not in an open fasion like this
2: There is nothing in the EULA or TOS or otherwise that will save you, so you might aswell quit while you're ahead
3: Claiming international law in a video game is absurd, but sure, if you like that permanent black mark as being a ******** piece of ****, go for it

And finally

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Andrew W-K
Doomheim
#174 - 2012-05-02 12:43:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew W-K
I do have some legal training (in the UK).

Sending mail in game, and given the nature of eve it could be expected that it would be posted to the world. If you send private data in eve you deserve whatever embarresment is handed to you.

What a nonsense thread.
seany1212
M Y S T
#175 - 2012-05-02 13:44:16 UTC
I love how even CCP came and shat on this thread Lol, some people should actually read the EULA thoroughly before spewing crap like this on these forums, or just click decline to accepting it, at least that way we'd have more intelligence in this game than this Roll
Geil Ding
Perkone
Caldari State
#176 - 2012-05-02 14:00:27 UTC
You know, the whole problem is not about game related mails made public but personal information about stuff like health. The API does not filter those out. A spy would never copy/paste personal information to a public website as it holds no "ingame value" to be used.

Let me ask this: If I would post links to illegal content, like movies, and eveskunk automatic make them public. Who would be wrong? Eveskunk for making links to illegal content public? CCP for helping eveskunk retreiving the mails? The person sharing the API? Or the person sending a personal mail to his/her friends?
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#177 - 2012-05-02 14:02:56 UTC
But I use EVE mail to pay my bills and sign up for social security!

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#178 - 2012-05-02 14:29:06 UTC
Geil Ding wrote:
You know, the whole problem is not about game related mails made public but personal information about stuff like health. The API does not filter those out. A spy would never copy/paste personal information to a public website as it holds no "ingame value" to be used.

Let me ask this: If I would post links to illegal content, like movies, and eveskunk automatic make them public. Who would be wrong? Eveskunk for making links to illegal content public? CCP for helping eveskunk retreiving the mails? The person sharing the API? Or the person sending a personal mail to his/her friends?



Let's put it even simpler then, because you don't seem the brightest lightbulb used in the street.

If you don't want things leaked out then why do you make it possible to leak it out by giving certain information to others?

If you don't give personal information to anyone then how can it leak out?

The moment I decide to tell someone something private about me then it is me who voluntarely disclosed that. If I didn't want them to know then it can just as easy be my choice not to give that information.
You choose to disclose the information and with it also the risk that entrails.
seany1212
M Y S T
#179 - 2012-05-02 14:31:54 UTC
Geil Ding wrote:
You know, the whole problem is not about game related mails made public but personal information about stuff like health. The API does not filter those out. A spy would never copy/paste personal information to a public website as it holds no "ingame value" to be used.

Let me ask this: If I would post links to illegal content, like movies, and eveskunk automatic make them public. Who would be wrong? Eveskunk for making links to illegal content public? CCP for helping eveskunk retreiving the mails? The person sharing the API? Or the person sending a personal mail to his/her friends?


You're blowing it completely out of proportion like you have for the entire thread, whoever is posting API's to that site are more than likely using alts because I know I wouldn't want personal gameplay messages posted there and considering eveskunk only posts alliance wide messages I don't know anyone who would alliancewide post links to illegal content when anyone else could just as easily report it to CCP and CCP pull it Roll.

As stipulated in the EULA and several links in this thread any private information you post in any form in game is at your own risk and is then posted under the assumption that it is no longer private, DONT EVEMAIL IF YOU WANT ANYTHING KEPT RL PRIVATE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDW0ZnZxjn4
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#180 - 2012-05-02 14:34:05 UTC
Geil Ding wrote:
You know, the whole problem is not about game related mails made public but personal information about stuff like health. The API does not filter those out. A spy would never copy/paste personal information to a public website as it holds no "ingame value" to be used.



I would think that private emails would be more suitable for discussing that cyst on your ass than the alliance email. And if you choose to send any account information over a unsecured third party system, well, you deserve whatever comes your way.

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