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Internet Lawyer Steve
Doomheim
#141 - 2012-05-01 22:25:19 UTC
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
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I never applied to the New Eden Lawyers Association. I am a certified member of the GoonSwarm Federation Lawyers Association though.



If you were a member of the New Eden Lawyers Association, Your alliance would have known about high sec game mechanics and there would have been less posts on these fine forums. However upon reviewing your past trial history, I will have to submit a 93902 Forum and request that you are never allowed to practice Law in New Eden.


Good Day Maam.

Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,

Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time...
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#142 - 2012-05-01 22:26:50 UTC
To put it in terms the OP might understand.

If yer too dumb and lazy arsed to NOT add mails to your API (which you give to other people on own accord and risk) then you shouldn't whine and cry about something being broken which you yourself smashed off of the table.

I have given out plenty of API's and guess what. Nobody has access to any of my mails unless I want them to.
You have that option to and choose to ignore it and then cry about it.
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#143 - 2012-05-01 22:27:40 UTC
Geil Ding wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:

Sorry I am no layer


Atleast you can't say "wir haben es nicht gewusst" anymore Blink


I am also not really charmed by your reference to WW II war criminals in that statement.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#144 - 2012-05-01 22:28:47 UTC
if you want to be secure from espionage require everyone in your alliance to sign an NDA and submit verifiable proof of their real-life identities

i'm sure the masses will flock right in

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#145 - 2012-05-01 22:31:30 UTC
Andski wrote:
if you want to be secure from espionage require everyone in your alliance to sign an NDA and submit verifiable proof of their real-life identities

i'm sure the masses will flock right in


And a player created NDA wouyld hold in which court again?
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#146 - 2012-05-01 22:32:02 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:
Jowen Datloran wrote:
Internet layers...



Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Karadion Kohlar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#147 - 2012-05-01 22:32:47 UTC
Fannie Maes wrote:
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
Internet lawyer here! There is no expectation of privacy, OP. Go cry in a corner now with your dunce hat.


Please do not follow Karadion Kohlar. She has been disbarred from the New Eden Lawyers Association.




I never applied to the New Eden Lawyers Association. I am a certified member of the GoonSwarm Federation Lawyers Association though.



Which is not recognized by the new Eden supreme court.
Correct, which we don't recognize either. We have our own supreme court system which New Eden does not have rights over. Only the Clusterfuck Coalition's Court have supremacy over the laws of our land. Pubbies are free to watch but do not have rights to address grievances.
Karadion Kohlar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#148 - 2012-05-01 22:35:31 UTC
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
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I never applied to the New Eden Lawyers Association. I am a certified member of the GoonSwarm Federation Lawyers Association though.



If you were a member of the New Eden Lawyers Association, Your alliance would have known about high sec game mechanics and there would have been less posts on these fine forums. However upon reviewing your past trial history, I will have to submit a 93902 Forum and request that you are never allowed to practice Law in New Eden.


Good Day Maam.


High-sec game mechanics? We know all about them and are truly experts at this. In fact, we know more about them than any of you pubbies do. Observing your statements, I have rejected you to be truly an expert of high-sec game mechanics and therefore move to disbar you from practicing any "interweb laws" in or outside the game.
Shian Yang
#149 - 2012-05-01 22:37:11 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
I have given out plenty of API's and guess what. Nobody has access to any of my mails unless I want them to.


Greetings capsuleer,

Whilst I do not support the insanity of capsuleer Geil Ding; what would occur if you sent your mail to someone else who has chosen to unlock their neural interface? Would your communication not become visible? They could even simply copy the text and include it in a mail of their own.

There is an old earth saying: "If you would keep your secret from an enemy, tell it not to a friend."

Regards,

Shian Yang
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#150 - 2012-05-01 22:40:17 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
Andski wrote:
if you want to be secure from espionage require everyone in your alliance to sign an NDA and submit verifiable proof of their real-life identities

i'm sure the masses will flock right in


And a player created NDA wouyld hold in which court again?



a real one considering that a violation would be a breach of a real contract?

that's assuming that anybody would even be bothered to enter into such an agreement over a video game

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2012-05-01 22:41:28 UTC
Andski wrote:
if you want to be secure from espionage require everyone in your alliance to sign an NDA and submit verifiable proof of their real-life identities

i'm sure the masses will flock right in


I wonder if you're playing what I think you might be playing.

Hello, hello again.
Oberlyn Oahl
Doomheim
#152 - 2012-05-01 22:44:06 UTC
Messoroz wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Geil Ding wrote:
I am not a layer but a programmer with a Masters degree in Software Engineering. An important topic is "ethics". We, as programmers, are often asked to build something that is against privacy laws. Our duty is to point this out and even refuse to help with breaking the law..

In this case CCP did not, intentionaly, break any laws.. as the API was build with a good intention. But right now, parts of the API, are abused in breaking laws. CCP needs to act on this, maybe even change the API.

In almost every country it is against the law to make private information public, like mails. Nobody will go to court over this, thats for sure. I hope CCP received the message and will act upon and do the "ethical" thing.


You sent those mails to members of your alliance. Those members are free to do what they want with those mails.




This is not exactly true in some cases. If you sent an email to someone in confidence with the expectation of privacy and the content turns out to be damaging and is deliberately made publc by the recipient, the recipent has broken the law. While he will probably not go to jail, he could lose quite a bit in court depending on the damages.


It can only be damaging in the world of eve. Unless you are having an affair THROUGH EVE MAILS THROUGH ALLIANCE MAIL then no judge will even take the case. They will laugh at you. You have no damages from something in a video game.

*Sniff*... But I thought... Eve is real!
Crash Raindog
GWA Corp
#153 - 2012-05-01 23:03:14 UTC
Just curious, does the OP conduct alliance business in local as well?
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#154 - 2012-05-01 23:08:04 UTC
Geil Ding wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Geil Ding wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Can someone please just post an image of the API key creation page where you need to purposefully check mail messages for them to be included and end this thread?

I'd do it but I'm lazy and tired and today's a holiday so I'm watching movies.


I miss the option where MY mails are excluded from the API of another player. Aside of the legal aspect, what do you think what will happen with the ingame features "corp mail" and "alliance mail" when sites like these will become more common?


If you stop pretending there's a legal aspect I'm happy to explain this to you.


I am no layer, but as a developer I ain't allowed to make certain information public. This website and the use of the API has red flags all over them. I just here to point the red flags for you guys to make an educated decision.

As a player I really find this wrong. Meta gaming and spying has always been a part of EvE, but this is wrong. There is no interaction anymore, everything is automated.


You are def not a layer.

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Internet Lawyer Steve
Doomheim
#155 - 2012-05-01 23:16:07 UTC
Karadion Kohlar wrote:

High-sec game mechanics? We know all about them and are truly experts at this. In fact, we know more about them than any of you pubbies do. Observing your statements, I have rejected you to be truly an expert of high-sec game mechanics and therefore move to disbar you from practicing any "interweb laws" in or outside the game.


There are posts about your FCs not knowing how aggression transfers to neutral players. Posts about how Overviews were to confusing or did not work properly. I could keep going but that would take time.

As a member of DekCo, You know all about exploits, lagging local clients, pushing f1, playing docking games in VFK and my favorite the "Blue Balls" or otherwise known in New Eden as " We dont outnumber you 5 - 1 so we are not going undock then pretend we won because we couldnt get enough people in fleet".

Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,

Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time...
Flakey Foont
#156 - 2012-05-01 23:19:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Flakey Foont
Someone butthurt invoking legality....again.


And using "wir haben es nicht gewusst" is pretty low.
Karadion Kohlar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#157 - 2012-05-01 23:21:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Karadion Kohlar
Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:
Karadion Kohlar wrote:

High-sec game mechanics? We know all about them and are truly experts at this. In fact, we know more about them than any of you pubbies do. Observing your statements, I have rejected you to be truly an expert of high-sec game mechanics and therefore move to disbar you from practicing any "interweb laws" in or outside the game.


There are posts about your FCs not knowing how aggression transfers to neutral players. Posts about how Overviews were to confusing or did not work properly. I could keep going but that would take time.

As a member of DekCo, You know all about exploits, lagging local clients, pushing f1, playing docking games in VFK and my favorite the "Blue Balls" or otherwise known in New Eden as " We dont outnumber you 5 - 1 so we are not going undock then pretend we won because we couldnt get enough people in fleet".


Exploits? Prove this.
Lagging local clients? Prove this again.

You are free to report any of these actions to CCP. Oh wait, you aren't going to.

Besides, VFK is ours and we are free to do what we want to do with it as we please. If you disagree, you are free to seize VFK and kick us out of the station.

There are posts by our FC's? Such as who? Dabigredboat? Are you refering to the Thorn Syndicate war declaration exploit where they declared as a corporation within an alliance and GSF could not attack back because it was not a proper war declaration so they were free to attack GSF at will without Concord intervention. CCP personally had intervened in this and nullified the war declaration and fixed it themselves at DT.

Again, we are better at high-sec than you are. We just do not live in high-sec because A) It is dumb B) you are a bunch of carebears that scream foul everytime we gank you babies. Also we had an efficiency rate of 4-1 against freighters and targets alike. Where's your record?

You know what you are? A terrible pubbie who reads EN24 and think they are 100% accurate in their reporting.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2012-05-01 23:56:26 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
:words:


Sorry I am no layer


This is awesome, could you teach the other CCPs like Phantom and guard to be awesome as well?

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Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#159 - 2012-05-02 01:12:36 UTC
roboto212 wrote:

For the record I am no layer too.


In the sense that you never have and never will lay with a woman, that is strictly correct.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#160 - 2012-05-02 01:15:31 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
:words:


Sorry I am no layer


This is awesome, could you teach the other CCPs like Phantom and guard to be awesome as well?


He can't the other devs weren't Goonfleet CEOs.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us