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@CCP - breach of national laws

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#21 - 2012-05-01 10:30:26 UTC
Yeaaaaaaa cause spying in internet spaceships... Same thing as espionage IRL

I can imagine the lawyer: "But your honor, EVE IS REAL It said so on the web page for the service some months back."

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#22 - 2012-05-01 10:33:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LoneLynx
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
Geil Ding wrote:
I think many have seen www.eveskunk.com by now. An API from a player is (ab)used to show alliance mails on a website for everybody to see. But this is against many national laws, privacy laws to be exact. The problem could correct itself if the sender of the mail has an option to exclude the mail from the API, but there is no such option.

My question to CCP, will the API be changed and the alliance and corp mails removed from the API? Torrent site aren't downloading the content themselfs, but facilitate it.. So is CCP, not sending the mails to website like www.eveskunk.com but CCP does facilitate it.



This is true... but its a good thing that Eve is just a game and not bound by international laws... I will finish with this appropriate ASCII picture:

*snip* - ASCII art - ISD LoneLynx


Ill help YOU tho...

Read this yesterday when it was mailed to me:

Quote:
Posting images and ASCII art on the forums is prohibited with the following exceptions:

Signature graphics are permitted, but must follow these guidelines: signature graphics that may only contain your character name, corporation logo, corporation or personal slogan or other text that is directly related to your in-game persona, or content directly related to Eve Online. All content must be in good taste.

Additional restrictions are as follows:

No more than one signature image may be used
Maximum height: 120 pixels
Maximum width: 400 pixels
Maximum file size: 24,000 bytes (not Kbytes)

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#23 - 2012-05-01 10:34:52 UTC
Likes received: 0


Says it all, really.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#24 - 2012-05-01 10:41:23 UTC
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Likes received: 0


Says it all, really.


Oh hell when did Likes start mattering?
Or is it just to you?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#25 - 2012-05-01 11:06:22 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LoneLynx
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
Geil Ding wrote:
I think many have seen www.eveskunk.com by now. An API from a player is (ab)used to show alliance mails on a website for everybody to see. But this is against many national laws, privacy laws to be exact. The problem could correct itself if the sender of the mail has an option to exclude the mail from the API, but there is no such option.

My question to CCP, will the API be changed and the alliance and corp mails removed from the API? Torrent site aren't downloading the content themselfs, but facilitate it.. So is CCP, not sending the mails to website like www.eveskunk.com but CCP does facilitate it.



This is true... but its a good thing that Eve is just a game and not bound by international laws... I will finish with this appropriate ASCII picture:

*snip* - ASCII art - ISD LoneLynx


Ill help YOU tho...

Read this yesterday when it was mailed to me:

Quote:
Posting images and ASCII art on the forums is prohibited with the following exceptions:

Signature graphics are permitted, but must follow these guidelines: signature graphics that may only contain your character name, corporation logo, corporation or personal slogan or other text that is directly related to your in-game persona, or content directly related to Eve Online. All content must be in good taste.

Additional restrictions are as follows:

No more than one signature image may be used
Maximum height: 120 pixels
Maximum width: 400 pixels
Maximum file size: 24,000 bytes (not Kbytes)


Didnt see this in any terms and conditions. Iv used that ASCII hundreds of times on the forum. Nothing has ever come of it! I can understand why they would'nt be allowed but meh, hardly care. It was appropriate and it was in good taste!
Geil Ding
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-05-01 11:06:34 UTC
Funny how dumb people can really be, or try to undermine the words being said by attacking the person and not the arguments. I am pretty sure everybody would burn CCP if they would make every mail public send ingame.

Quote:
Are you complete moron ? No it can not. API is for character not for corp. If player left, API useless for spying.


I think u misread whay I said.. most corp and/or alliance require the player to send their API before they can join. If a player forgets to delete the key after he left the corp/alliance it can still be used by the former corp/alliance. Often people are not aware of this and even reuse the same key for the next corp/alliance they join.

Again, I do not mind that the mails can be accessed through the API but what I do mind that the sender has no control over his mail. There should be an option if the sended mail is available through the API.
seany1212
M Y S T
#27 - 2012-05-01 11:11:08 UTC
Geil Ding wrote:
There should be an option if the sended mail is available through the API.


There is, you don't send one...

CCP could publicly release every mail in-game if they wanted to, but it would make absolutely no sense to, they would face public backlash, but it's still their property and they could do what they liked with it. Roll
Demon Azrakel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-05-01 11:13:17 UTC
Geil Ding wrote:
Funny how dumb people can really be, or try to undermine the words being said by attacking the person and not the arguments. I am pretty sure everybody would burn CCP if they would make every mail public send ingame.

Quote:
Are you complete moron ? No it can not. API is for character not for corp. If player left, API useless for spying.


I think u misread whay I said.. most corp and/or alliance require the player to send their API before they can join. If a player forgets to delete the key after he left the corp/alliance it can still be used by the former corp/alliance. Often people are not aware of this and even reuse the same key for the next corp/alliance they join.

Again, I do not mind that the mails can be accessed through the API but what I do mind that the sender has no control over his mail. There should be an option if the sended mail is available through the API.


It is called setting up a proper API. Try it sometime.
malaire
#29 - 2012-05-01 11:16:08 UTC
Geil Ding wrote:
There should be an option if the sended mail is available through the API.

That would make mail-API useless. Main thing about that API is to know if you have mail or not, and be able to read it out of game.

Also spy could just use script which gets mails from evegate instead. Unless you want other checkbox which controls whether your mail is also available in evegate?

So do you want something like this:

(Compose EveMail Form)
To: _____
Subject: _____
Message: _____
[ ] Show in game
[ ] Show via API
[ ] Show via evegate


Yeah, really usefull... Roll

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malaire
#30 - 2012-05-01 11:23:42 UTC
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
Didnt see this in any terms and conditions. Iv used that ASCII hundreds of times on the forum. Nothing has ever come of it! I can understand why they would'nt be allowed but meh, hardly care. It was appropriate and it was in good taste!

"Forum Rules" link at top right portion of this page, below search-box.

However that is from 2009 and quite outdated since it talks about image restrictions while these new forums don't allow posting of images.

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Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-05-01 11:24:37 UTC
You can exclude EVE mails from your API key.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
malaire
#32 - 2012-05-01 11:28:08 UTC
Aiwha wrote:
You can exclude EVE mails from your API key.

He wants to control what other players can use their personal API keys for.

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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#33 - 2012-05-01 11:32:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Serious, this is all part of the game. Don't like it? deal with it! You can't expect CCP to hold your hand and help you to weed out spies. It's up to you how to do that, that's what makes EvE great, you choose how to play, and if there's an obstacle, you find ways around it, or how to remove it. Not cry to CCP that it's unfair.

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-05-01 11:39:15 UTC
how about not using your evemail as a way of sending sensetive information to people?


If only there were other systems that were more secure and actually had to acknowledge such laws rather than in game coms.
Spymaster Bates
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-05-01 12:12:34 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
If only there were other systems that were more secure and actually had to acknowledge such laws rather than in game coms.


I know!

I just cannot think of a single one!

Twitter - @eveskunk

Corbin Blair
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-05-01 13:41:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Corbin Blair
Geil Ding wrote:
I think many have seen www.eveskunk.com by now. An API from a player is (ab)used to show alliance mails on a website for everybody to see. But this is against many national laws, privacy laws to be exact. The problem could correct itself if the sender of the mail has an option to exclude the mail from the API, but there is no such option.

My question to CCP, will the API be changed and the alliance and corp mails removed from the API? Torrent site aren't downloading the content themselfs, but facilitate it.. So is CCP, not sending the mails to website like www.eveskunk.com but CCP does facilitate it.

Accusing CCP of facilitating in this case is a bit like accusing Hollywood of facilitating movie torrents. If anything, eveskunk is equivalent to the torrent site.
cpu939
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-05-01 13:41:13 UTC
i might be wrong but do not all in game items belong to ccp.
Corbin Blair
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-05-01 13:42:30 UTC
cpu939 wrote:
i might be wrong but do not all in game items belong to ccp.

Communications aren't an item.
Fannie Maes
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-05-01 13:48:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LoneLynx
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
Geil Ding wrote:
I think many have seen www.eveskunk.com by now. An API from a player is (ab)used to show alliance mails on a website for everybody to see. But this is against many national laws, privacy laws to be exact. The problem could correct itself if the sender of the mail has an option to exclude the mail from the API, but there is no such option.

My question to CCP, will the API be changed and the alliance and corp mails removed from the API? Torrent site aren't downloading the content themselfs, but facilitate it.. So is CCP, not sending the mails to website like www.eveskunk.com but CCP does facilitate it.



This is true... but its a good thing that Eve is just a game (you know its just a game right?...right?) and not bound by international laws... I will finish with this appropriate ASCII picture:

*snip* - ASCII art - ISD LoneLynx



CCP and games are bound by international laws as well as National laws. I doubt they are in this instance but when it comes to things like billing, publishing, consumer laws and even laws against terrorism and company laws, tax laws and many more they are all bound by them....

Try avoid making general sweeping statements.


In regards to the OP, manage your API better, never check everything and hand it out, only what you are willing to give.
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-05-01 13:55:19 UTC
Not much you can do about stupid.