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Confidential Arek'Jaalan Report Leaked! Readers Amazed!!

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N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#61 - 2011-09-17 19:35:41 UTC
Ok then let me introduce this new thing called perspective.

For instance, from the outside-looking in perspective, all we see is stalling, evidence against Delainen, but no evidence for, this whole business of "cant tell yooo. Seeekrit" and really this just makes people think that someone in this little act is being disingenuous, and it reeks through the whole operation.

The inside looking out perspective, who knows Myxx, enlighten us.

**Vherokior **

Myxx
The Scope
#62 - 2011-09-17 19:44:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Myxx
N'maro Makari wrote:
Ok then let me introduce this new thing called perspective.

For instance, from the outside-looking in perspective, all we see is stalling, evidence against Delainen, but no evidence for, this whole business of "cant tell yooo. Seeekrit" and really this just makes people think that someone in this little act is being disingenuous, and it reeks through the whole operation.

The inside looking out perspective, who knows Myxx, enlighten us.


What I'll say is this: I have this guys DNA 100 percent confirmed. I and one other were given answers we don't feel comfortable revealing until its been verified by others. I've been following the Rogue Drones and their ways for a number of years now, and frankly I've learned to take my time and do exactly as I feel I need to do in order to be double sure I'm absolutely correct. This usually means being silent when I could otherwise talk all day about it.

The reason behind not being comfortable with some of the answers are in their implications and indirect suggestion of other facts being confirmed, mind you.

If you want to know what we asked... in order to speculate about it, feel free to look at the rogue drone's division agenda for questions we have.
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#63 - 2011-09-17 19:52:00 UTC
Myxx wrote:
N'maro Makari wrote:
Ok then let me introduce this new thing called perspective.

For instance, from the outside-looking in perspective, all we see is stalling, evidence against Delainen, but no evidence for, this whole business of "cant tell yooo. Seeekrit" and really this just makes people think that someone in this little act is being disingenuous, and it reeks through the whole operation.

The inside looking out perspective, who knows Myxx, enlighten us.


What I'll say is this: I have this guys DNA 100 percent confirmed. I and one other were given answers we don't feel comfortable revealing until its been verified by others. I've been following the Rogue Drones and their ways for a number of years now, and frankly I've learned to take my time and do exactly as I feel I need to do in order to be double sure I'm absolutely correct. This usually means being silent when I could otherwise talk all day about it.

The reason behind not being comfortable with some of the answers are in their implications and indirect suggestion of other facts being confirmed, mind you.

If you want to know what we asked... in order to speculate about it, feel free to look at the rogue drone's division agenda for questions we have.


The DNA is only half the issue.

Assuming of course you're aware that clones by definition are exact copies, i.e. by definition their DNA would be a 100% to their progenitor.

The other half of the issue of course is the fact there seem to be multiple clones running around, which opens this whole can of worms.

Do you have any explainations for this or is this all secret too...

**Vherokior **

Myxx
The Scope
#64 - 2011-09-17 20:02:31 UTC
N'maro Makari wrote:
Myxx wrote:
N'maro Makari wrote:
Ok then let me introduce this new thing called perspective.

For instance, from the outside-looking in perspective, all we see is stalling, evidence against Delainen, but no evidence for, this whole business of "cant tell yooo. Seeekrit" and really this just makes people think that someone in this little act is being disingenuous, and it reeks through the whole operation.

The inside looking out perspective, who knows Myxx, enlighten us.


What I'll say is this: I have this guys DNA 100 percent confirmed. I and one other were given answers we don't feel comfortable revealing until its been verified by others. I've been following the Rogue Drones and their ways for a number of years now, and frankly I've learned to take my time and do exactly as I feel I need to do in order to be double sure I'm absolutely correct. This usually means being silent when I could otherwise talk all day about it.

The reason behind not being comfortable with some of the answers are in their implications and indirect suggestion of other facts being confirmed, mind you.

If you want to know what we asked... in order to speculate about it, feel free to look at the rogue drone's division agenda for questions we have.


The DNA is only half the issue.

Assuming of course you're aware that clones by definition are exact copies, i.e. by definition their DNA would be a 100% to their progenitor.

The other half of the issue of course is the fact there seem to be multiple clones running around, which opens this whole can of worms.

Do you have any explainations for this or is this all secret too...


I have a theory for the second part of it, and yes.. I'll admit that some of the answers we were given have helped me make such an informed guess as to what the case is. And yes, I'll admit that it isnt particularly public information... yet. That is one of the things we'd like verified. If it can't be for whatever reason, I'll be forced to state such and for what reason, which can vary.

I know this doesn't answer your question, I'm sorry. Some replies... aren't answers, as it was put to us.
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#65 - 2011-09-17 21:37:11 UTC
Myxx wrote:
N'maro Makari wrote:
Myxx wrote:
N'maro Makari wrote:
Ok then let me introduce this new thing called perspective.

For instance, from the outside-looking in perspective, all we see is stalling, evidence against Delainen, but no evidence for, this whole business of "cant tell yooo. Seeekrit" and really this just makes people think that someone in this little act is being disingenuous, and it reeks through the whole operation.

The inside looking out perspective, who knows Myxx, enlighten us.


What I'll say is this: I have this guys DNA 100 percent confirmed. I and one other were given answers we don't feel comfortable revealing until its been verified by others. I've been following the Rogue Drones and their ways for a number of years now, and frankly I've learned to take my time and do exactly as I feel I need to do in order to be double sure I'm absolutely correct. This usually means being silent when I could otherwise talk all day about it.

The reason behind not being comfortable with some of the answers are in their implications and indirect suggestion of other facts being confirmed, mind you.

If you want to know what we asked... in order to speculate about it, feel free to look at the rogue drone's division agenda for questions we have.


The DNA is only half the issue.

Assuming of course you're aware that clones by definition are exact copies, i.e. by definition their DNA would be a 100% to their progenitor.

The other half of the issue of course is the fact there seem to be multiple clones running around, which opens this whole can of worms.

Do you have any explainations for this or is this all secret too...


I have a theory for the second part of it, and yes.. I'll admit that some of the answers we were given have helped me make such an informed guess as to what the case is. And yes, I'll admit that it isnt particularly public information... yet. That is one of the things we'd like verified. If it can't be for whatever reason, I'll be forced to state such and for what reason, which can vary.

I know this doesn't answer your question, I'm sorry. Some replies... aren't answers, as it was put to us.


Well, I can appreciate that you understand the scepticism and impatience of the wider community.

All I can really say is that the project's reputation hangs in the balance on this one. Remains to be seen what happens.

**Vherokior **

Ilsenae Alexandros
Perkone
Caldari State
#66 - 2011-09-17 23:57:36 UTC
N'maro Makari wrote:
All I can really say is that the project's reputation hangs in the balance on this one.


Only if you take Myxx seriously.

To know the face of God is to know madness.

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#67 - 2011-09-18 07:26:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Morwen Lagann
N'maro brings up a rather salient point: one of the most important and well-known conditions of any cloning contract is that regardless of how many clones are created for the client, only one of them may be active at any given time.

While it is true that the last time that this condition was breached and the matter came to light in capsuleer channels instead of being kept quiet was before you acquired your capsuleer license (by only a few scant months, in fact), it is no excuse for ignorance in this matter, because you signed such a contract in order to become a capsuleer.

So, assuming you and several others aren't all having some elaborate, shared hallucination involving a professor in artificial intelligence who's supposedly been deceased for roughly four years, I'd expect you're about to have some rather unamused CONCORD officials breathing down your necks.

That whole ridiculously dangerous can of worms aside, there's another problem in play here.

That problem is you, Myxx. Specifically, your attitude. Your almost inconceivable belief that you are always in the right, and are capable of predicting the actions of everyone around you.

Newsflash, sweetie: you aren't, and you can't.

A lesson worth remembering: it's not the people who already believe you or are on your side that you need to convince - confirmation bias takes care of that. It's the ones who don't believe you, the ones who you've shattered your credibility with, that you need to convince. Confirming the already-existing beliefs and opinions of one group of people is nowhere near as important in a situation like this as convincing those who don't share those beliefs or opinions to begin with.

You can tell yourself that it isn't true all you like, but when it comes to the scientific community, you're doing little more than shooting yourself in the foot by delaying and stalling. Your credibility with a rather large portion of the capsuleer community is shot - and it isn't that little circle of friends you've managed to retain that you should be looking to right now. They can't make anyone believe what you write or say. That is your responsibility, and your responsibility alone.

Convince the rest of us that you're not as full of hot air as you come across as being. We're waiting.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#68 - 2011-09-18 08:10:53 UTC
Myxx wrote:
Second edit: I was being polite with Valerie. Won't do that again.


And what, exactly, do you mean by that?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#69 - 2011-09-18 10:00:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jowen Datloran
Myxx wrote:

What I'll say is this: I have this guys DNA 100 percent confirmed.


This reminds me of a funny story I once heard about a guy called Wolf Burgan who managed to cheat the Serpentis.

Oh, and people interested in the possibility of multiple active copies of the same clone should visit the OK-FEM constellation in Delve.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook