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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#141 - 2012-05-02 02:21:35 UTC
Hench Tenet wrote:
ITT:

"I want my risk-free isk faucet to be even less risky and be just as much of a faucet"

Ah faucets. Ore faucets.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#142 - 2012-05-02 03:45:29 UTC
Noofels wrote:
Ganking season!

There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?

You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down.
At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.

Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.

So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?

Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.

I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.



fly a ******* covetor....

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Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#143 - 2012-05-02 05:44:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ditra Vorthran
So I have to ask, what are gankers going to do once they run out of hulk pilots to hunt? Covetors? Retrievers? Ospreys?

I guess my point is, I don't mind hulk pilots being kills. Hell, I'm trying to convince my CEO to kill some hulks during Hulkageddon to cut into some of our competitors. However, I dislike the idea that we're somehow dirty, unclean, or unfit for the galaxy of New Eden.

Take (of course) Helicity Boson. She talks a nice talk, and even backs it up with a good walk, but does she really drink her own kool-aid? If she could snap her fingers and banish miners from the game in a heartbeat, would she? Would you?

We perform a needed function (moreso now with Escalation) yet many people seem to take it as a personal affront that miners actually *gasp* take a role of relevance in the game.

Where are the materials that are used to make the ships you fly going to come from?

Those asteroids won't mine themselves.

"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#144 - 2012-05-02 05:53:03 UTC
Ditra Vorthran wrote:
So I have to ask, what are gankers going to do once they run out of hulk pilots to hunt? Covetors? Retrievers? Ospreys?

I'm told that mining barges are worth points or something. (Hope people don't try flying Procurers). BUt not Ospreys, surely... that would be odd.

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Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#145 - 2012-05-02 05:58:21 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Ditra Vorthran wrote:
So I have to ask, what are gankers going to do once they run out of hulk pilots to hunt? Covetors? Retrievers? Ospreys?

I'm told that mining barges are worth points or something. (Hope people don't try flying Procurers). BUt not Ospreys, surely... that would be odd.


It's less a statement about Hulkageddon specifically, and more about the rabid hunters who seem to make it their mission in life to cleanse miners, whatever their stripe, from the game.

"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#146 - 2012-05-02 06:00:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Ditra Vorthran wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Ditra Vorthran wrote:
So I have to ask, what are gankers going to do once they run out of hulk pilots to hunt? Covetors? Retrievers? Ospreys?

I'm told that mining barges are worth points or something. (Hope people don't try flying Procurers). BUt not Ospreys, surely... that would be odd.

It's less a statement about Hulkageddon specifically, and more about the rabid hunters who seem to make it their mission in life to cleanse miners, whatever their stripe, from the game.

Is there even a point to shooting Ospreys? Seems like a waste when there should be better stuff to shoot. Oh well. People expected others to shoot empty freighters for their own amusement as well, I guess I shouldn't be judging osprey shooters too harshly.

I suppose it's one of those self-selecting things. The miners that can deal with it don't feel the need to whine, but those that can't, do. And so it seems most of the miner-related threads have whining miners. Sort of unfair to the rest, but hey, they're smarter and presumably making isk rather than posts.

P.S. If you see an enemy miner eating your ore, quickly PM a goon. However, trying to help them by using your own mining ship to give a warp in might not be in your best interests ...

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Wilma Shakespear
Quarks low Tax Corp
#147 - 2012-05-02 06:03:01 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Ditra Vorthran wrote:
So I have to ask, what are gankers going to do once they run out of hulk pilots to hunt? Covetors? Retrievers? Ospreys?

I'm told that mining barges are worth points or something. (Hope people don't try flying Procurers). BUt not Ospreys, surely... that would be odd.


If you look at the one in Place one on here http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com/

you will see even he does not kill many Hulks... http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Tappad

som much for that Event i would say its the wrong Name i would it call MINERGEDDON!!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#148 - 2012-05-02 06:11:21 UTC
Wilma Shakespear wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Ditra Vorthran wrote:
So I have to ask, what are gankers going to do once they run out of hulk pilots to hunt? Covetors? Retrievers? Ospreys?

I'm told that mining barges are worth points or something. (Hope people don't try flying Procurers). BUt not Ospreys, surely... that would be odd.


If you look at the one in Place one on here http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com/

you will see even he does not kill many Hulks... http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Tappad

som much for that Event i would say its the wrong Name i would it call MINERGEDDON!!

I see a lot of macks. Huh. Some pods and thrashers too.

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Sroasa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#149 - 2012-05-02 06:21:43 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
... find out that tech does not make ships...


Actually it does. Hulks for instance.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#150 - 2012-05-02 06:24:16 UTC
Sroasa wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
... find out that tech does not make ships...

Actually it does. Hulks for instance.

A significant part of the cost of a Hulk is tech-related stuff, I think.

That's right, you miners are buying stuff (if indirectly) from the moon-miners (aka ATM machines) in nullsec Shocked

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Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#151 - 2012-05-02 06:25:40 UTC
Ditra Vorthran wrote:

I guess my point is, I don't mind hulk pilots being kills. Hell, I'm trying to convince my CEO to kill some hulks during Hulkageddon to cut into some of our competitors. However, I dislike the idea that we're somehow dirty, unclean, or unfit for the galaxy of New Eden.



I'd be making a second corporation full of alts for the express purpose of disrupting my competition, and generally making their lives hell while profiting off their misery and every other in-game illegal and illicit activity to make the second corp profitable and to benefit the parent corp.

I would not be adverse to infiltrating spies and corp thieves/saboteurs into the rival corps, either.

I look at it that EVE and New Eden is a dark game in a harsh and unforgiving universe - and my idea of a hostile takeover is more along the lines of sending my best covert ops team to wash down the competition's boardroom in bullets, gauss flechettes, and laser bolts. :)

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