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Prince Kobol
#21 - 2012-04-30 19:30:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Noofels wrote:
Ganking season!

There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?

You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down.
At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.

Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.

So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?

Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.

I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.


Stop typing out of your arse.

I have mined during the last 3 hulkageddons and have lost zero hulks.

In fact I have never lost one mining ship to a gank across 4 accounts.

Why, because I actually fit a decent tank, scout the systems I want to mine in and use fecking D-Scan...
stoicfaux
#22 - 2012-04-30 19:30:53 UTC
On one hand, by design the gankers are given the initiative and have a bearable penalty imposed on them, thus making ganking practical and "easy" in high-sec.

On the other hand, you're making mostly-afk isk so there's not a lot of sympathy to create a situation where a Hulk can run with two mining/cargo mods, two Cargohold II rigs, and no tank without any worry.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Dyner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-04-30 19:32:47 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Dyner wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
standings, local, d-scan, not being afk.


Also, hire mercs, start scouting, mine in groups, draw concord to the belt, EHP fittings.



I recall that being a bannable offense.




Drawing Concord? Not anymore than drawing Concord away from a belt. Shocked




One could say the same for abandoned drones and concord, and CCP all ready said what it was :P

Best to chill in you CQ watching porn flicks
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#24 - 2012-04-30 19:35:49 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Stop tying out of your arse.

I have mined during the last 3 hulkageddons and have lost zero hulks.

In fact I have never lost one mining ship to a gank across 4 accounts.

Why, because I actually fit a decent tank, scout the systems I want to mine in and use fecking D-Scan...

Good miner, you're not doing it while being pretty much afk. That doesn't count!
stoicfaux wrote:
On the other hand, you're making mostly-afk isk so there's not a lot of sympathy to create a situation where a Hulk can run with two mining/cargo mods, two Cargohold II rigs, and no tank without any worry.

You know, we were contemplating doing that. Well, a minimal tank because of battleship rats. Just in case. Might not need cargohold rigs though, it doesn't increase your yield... maybe just tech 1 rigs?

People here don't have to kill us nigh instantly before CONCORD gets them. In fact, once they get the point on, it's all over ...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-04-30 19:37:33 UTC
You'll never be totally safe but you can improve your odds.


  • Avoid the belts. (Grav sites)
  • DSCAN is your friend.
  • Local is too.
  • Align for warp-out. (Either station or safe spot)
  • Tank (Mostly laughable but every little bit helps)
  • Be alert.


Another approach would be to hit the belts in a Bantam or rookie ship.
Deny them the satisfaction of a barge or exhumer kill. Twisted
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-04-30 19:47:06 UTC
Read this thread.

As you state: nothing can stop a determined ganker. If you build a decent tank, they will just bring more/bigger/badder.

In that post linked above, you will find my suggested fits for a Drake/Rokh mining fleet, along with many excellent fits for tanky Hulks. My corp and close friends have been running mining ops using the Drake/Rokhs fleet set up. Yield is way less than in a Orca/Hulk fleet, but we have not been messed with so far. Not to say we are safe, cuz we ain't. But with two or three Rokhs and my poor man's command ship (Drake), we do okay.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-04-30 19:47:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese

  1. Insured covetors
    2. -Less loss if ganked, well you lose a little isk in yield
    -use non ore mining ship
    -not worth the points if I remember the hulkageddon rules

  2. Tank
    3. -More tank is less yield, but more to kill
    -Orca combine with shield resist booster

  3. Mine off the main highsecs
    4. -ie the augnais area, places many jumps from the hubs. So you stockpile and fly a bit further to sell, or change where you sell
    -subfactions such as khanid, and the like
    -should do this anyway. less competition for the good ores, and typically more profit on the sales to the border inhabitants even undercutting

  4. mine in 0.7 and more
    5. -faster concord response time, takes more ships to gank


Urgg Boolean wrote:
But with two or three Rokhs and my poor man's command ship (Drake), we do okay.


Good point, forgot about using battlecruiser link ships. I used them before I was able to fly the orca or other command ships.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Dyner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-04-30 19:47:58 UTC
Sycho Pathic wrote:
You'll never be totally safe but you can improve your odds.


  • Avoid the belts. (Grav sites)
  • DSCAN is your friend.
  • Local is too.
  • Align for warp-out. (Either station or safe spot)
  • Tank (Mostly laughable but every little bit helps)
  • Be alert.


Another approach would be to hit the belts in a Bantam or rookie ship.
Deny them the satisfaction of a barge or exhumer kill. Twisted








Also, don't mine in a Hulk...no one every suspects the Rokh!
El Sergio YBrava
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-04-30 19:49:33 UTC  |  Edited by: El Sergio YBrava
my advice, forget mining, seriously, there are a lot of easier and safer ways to make isk than mining in high sec:

if you have a group ----> Incursions
if you are alone/casual ---->L4 (best if you have an alt for salvaging)
if you are the carebear ----> low/null sec anomalies in a remote system (see dotlan), cloak/dock whenever you are not alone or with only blues in system

thats the facts, and for all nullsec guys screaming the whole time that all the carebears are in Highsec --->

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct33UUhS_xg&feature=youtu.be

if you want to have some fun do exploring :)

Edit: sorry but all this advice how to mine safe is BS because if you follow that its more time-intensive than nullsec, the risk is still without any relation and if you warp out whenever a trasher occurs on d-scan it will ruin your income rate....don't do mining...I did that mistake for a long time and was wondering why everybody is richer than me
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#30 - 2012-04-30 19:52:43 UTC
In short, no there is no option.

The Hulk Mines. It doesn't anti-PvP and it sure as hell doesn't PvP.
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#31 - 2012-04-30 19:59:18 UTC
I'm mining right now.

I'm not even slightly worried :)
Frederick Sanger
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-04-30 20:03:33 UTC
Helicity Boson wrote:
I'm mining right now.

I'm not even slightly worried :)

You are such a glorious creature.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#33 - 2012-04-30 20:07:11 UTC
Noofels wrote:
Ganking season!

There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?

You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down.
At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.

Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.

So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?

Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.

I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.


why dont you join a null sec corp... by far with local intel and other intel chans you have no excuse to loose a hulk...

hulkageddon is great for pushing cry babies out of high sec and into the real game...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#34 - 2012-04-30 20:08:45 UTC
[quote=MeBiatchwhy dont you join a null sec corp... by far with local intel and other intel chans you have no excuse to loose a hulk...

hulkageddon is great for pushing cry babies out of high sec and into the real game...[/quote]
Yep. There are many null sec corps that love highsec miners.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alotta Cleavage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-04-30 20:08:58 UTC
Mine in a Battleship with Expanded Cargo, MinerIIs and anchored containers.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#36 - 2012-04-30 20:11:35 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Alavaria Fera wrote:
[quote=MeBiatchwhy dont you join a null sec corp... by far with local intel and other intel chans you have no excuse to loose a hulk...

hulkageddon is great for pushing cry babies out of high sec and into the real game...

Yep. There are many null sec corps that love highsec miners.
[/quote]


before drone regions were introduced... yes... you had to have minners to get ships...

methinks that this will become a reality soon after you guys reprocess all the crap you collected over the years and find out that tech does not make ships...

it would be pretty cool for the first goon cta minning op since 06... but this time you will have like 300 dudes completely mine a system out...

i mean when was the last time a null sec system was mined to nothing?

peeps might even start upgrading thier ihubs for industry...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
SpaceSquirrels
#37 - 2012-04-30 20:12:55 UTC  |  Edited by: SpaceSquirrels
You seriously dont think 10-20 players in thrashers should be able to gank you...or a single person when their organized and have numerical superiority?...

Uh what?

Ok one catalyst taking down a fully tanked hulk... Kinda BS... But a group of people or say bigger ships. Or say more ships... Ok in my book. Where is this sense of "i'm not allowed to be killed!" come from?

Also maybe move outta high sense you can't preempt them...
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#38 - 2012-04-30 20:16:16 UTC
i say nerf hulks so they can only use jump drives and cant go threw gates... make them the size of a cap ship...

that way you wont have peeps complaining that thier hulks are dying in high sec

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
stoicfaux
#39 - 2012-04-30 20:29:41 UTC
SpaceSquirrels wrote:
You seriously dont think 10-20 players in thrashers should be able to gank you...or a single person when their organized and have numerical superiority?...

Uh what?

Ok one catalyst taking down a fully tanked hulk... Kinda BS... But a group of people or say bigger ships. Or say more ships... Ok in my book. Where is this sense of "i'm not allowed to be killed!" come from?

Also maybe move outta high sense you can't preempt them...

Getting ganked by 10-20 players thrashers isn't the problem. The problem lies with those same 10-20 players repeatedly ganking targets without any meaningful repercussions.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-04-30 20:39:27 UTC
Dyner wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
standings, local, d-scan, not being afk.


Also, hire mercs, start scouting, mine in groups, draw concord to the belt, EHP fittings.



I recall that being a bannable offense.


Nope. Manipulating Concord is only a bannable offense when PVPers do it. When the AFK Miner Bots do it, it's "smart tactics."