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Renaming "Carebears" to "Hardbears".
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TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2012-04-30 12:18:31 UTC  |  Edited by: TheBlueMonkey
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
you have almost no way to defend yourself.


Confirming you totally know how to play eve and are in no way pointless.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#82 - 2012-04-30 12:19:47 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
How you know when someone has lost an argument: they try to resort to semantics and forget what their original point was.

I'm sure that in the context of my original statement I definitely meant that care bears are killing off market PvP. I mean they just keep nerfing my ability to .01 all your orders into the ground.

If that is pointed at me, I'd like to point out that I mostly support your points. The post was simply a demonstration of the fact that they can never escape PVP, be it ships blowing up, or people stealing their stuff, or destroying their profits. Anyone playing EVE is a PVPer, and as such they need to man up and PVP.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#83 - 2012-04-30 12:24:51 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
How you know when someone has lost an argument: they try to resort to semantics and forget what their original point was.

I'm sure that in the context of my original statement I definitely meant that care bears are killing off market PvP. I mean they just keep nerfing my ability to .01 all your orders into the ground.

If that is pointed at me, I'd like to point out that I mostly support your points. The post was simply a demonstration of the fact that they can never escape PVP, be it ships blowing up, or people stealing their stuff, or destroying their profits. Anyone playing EVE is a PVPer, and as such they need to man up and PVP.

Hehe, sorry my bad, I was just trying to troll kestrix a little. Didn't realise it was a different person that replied Lol

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#84 - 2012-04-30 12:47:11 UTC
I prefer the term "Pony" :D

Still bright and colorful
Still prefer friendship and cooperation to fighting.

But made of slightly stronger stuff should you force the issue.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

DonHel
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2012-04-30 12:51:38 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Hang out in the ''safe'' space where you are not allowed to shoot first in order to defend yourself.
Somehow convince yourself that this makes you hardcore.



oh, like how blowing up[ defenseless ships that cant even fire back is totally hardcore. I want to have your babies
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#86 - 2012-04-30 12:52:21 UTC
"You think high-sec-carebear cares? High-sec-carebear is craaaaaazy, he don't give a ****. "

"In the end the carebear persists and continues on with their lives and game. You mistake their lack of interest in combat as an inability to know how to defend themselves.

And you far far superior and much braver players scuttle around game mechanics for some kind of weakness. I'm not sure how anyone can arrive at the conclusion that this level of stubborness and resilience is weakness I won't burden you with logic you can't grasp."

- Mass Attack

Just spreadin' the truth. Smile

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#87 - 2012-04-30 13:00:44 UTC
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Ganking hi-sec players (miners, mission runners, etc) has become a sport, complete with prizes and private, alliance sponsored insurance payouts for ships lost in the process. The fact is if you're in a Hulk or any type of hauler, you are automatically a target and you have almost no way to defend yourself. There are more ships destroyed in hi-sec on any given day than null-sec and low-sec combined.

For this reason, I am moving to rename "carebears" to "hardbears" and renaming "nullbears" to "carebears".


You have plenty of tools to defend yourself. You just chose not to.

Maybe become a null bear and mine in space you've conquered and protect? Thats to obvious isn't it.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#88 - 2012-04-30 13:12:17 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
I am a care bear. I live in syndicate.

You high sec scrubs should come up and visit some time if you think you're hard core.


Yeah, shoot em with your ratting drakes.
The D1ngo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2012-04-30 13:43:03 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
I am a care bear. I live in syndicate.

You high sec scrubs should come up and visit some time if you think you're hard core.


Yeah, shoot em with your ratting drakes.


If you think YOU are hardcore playing any portion of any computer game then may I respectfully suggest you get a life.

You,Syndicate scrub, should try taking a subway, crossing the street, running a 5k or going 1 round in the ring if you think you are hard core. Roll

I know "Eve is Real" for some of you but writing stuff like, "I 'live' (somewhere) in fake space therefore I am a tough guy" is just pathetic.

It's a game...whether you derive enjoyment from mining rocks or mining tears...it's just a game.

P.S. I just watched my girlfriend paint her nails. She used bright red instead of doing a French Manicure! It was sooooo hardcore! I think I may be getting an understanding of where some of you are coming from. Carry on.


Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#90 - 2012-04-30 13:45:34 UTC
The D1ngo wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
I am a care bear. I live in syndicate.

You high sec scrubs should come up and visit some time if you think you're hard core.


Yeah, shoot em with your ratting drakes.


If you think YOU are hardcore playing any portion of any computer game then may I respectfully suggest you get a life.

You,Syndicate scrub, should try taking a subway, crossing the street, running a 5k or going 1 round in the ring if you think you are hard core. Roll

I know "Eve is Real" for some of you but writing stuff like, "I 'live' (somewhere) in fake space therefore I am a tough guy" is just pathetic.

It's a game...whether you derive enjoyment from mining rocks or mining tears...it's just a game.

P.S. I just watched my girlfriend paint her nails. She used bright red instead of doing a French Manicure! It was sooooo hardcore! I think I may be getting an understanding of where some of you are coming from. Carry on.



Can someone explain to me how calling someone out for claiming to be hardcore when they are not is claiming to be hardcore yourself? I saw no claims of hardcore, simple pointing out that highseccers who complain about how horrible highsec is on the forums most certainly are not hardcore.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#91 - 2012-04-30 13:59:54 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Can someone explain to me how calling someone out for claiming to be hardcore when they are not is claiming to be hardcore yourself? I saw no claims of hardcore, simple pointing out that highseccers who complain about how horrible highsec is on the forums most certainly are not hardcore.


'Twas indeed one of the more idiotic posts this morning.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#92 - 2012-04-30 14:04:51 UTC
Jacob Staffuer wrote:

For this reason, I am moving to rename "carebears" to "hardbears" and renaming "nullbears" to "carebears".


You completely miss the point. Perhaps more appropriate would be changing the name "carebear" to "target".

Only a few nullsec players however deserve the title "nullbear" or "carebear". The rest of us have lost so many clones and implants that we simply stop using fancy stuff anymore and frankly couldn't give a damn if we get killed or not, which is what "carebear" is actually supposed to mean.

Here is a short video that will illustrate why there are many names that can be used to describe nullsec dwellers, but "carebear" ain't one of them.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#93 - 2012-04-30 14:16:26 UTC
knobber Jobbler wrote:


Maybe become a null bear and mine in space you've conquered and protect? Thats to obvious isn't it.


But - but but that means actual work! Carebears will not assist in the conquering sov part, they will only show up in droves when dead end system and refinery stations are linked with jump bridges. Whatdoyoumean 600M a month sov bill per bridge? Carebears will also happily continue mining when the rest of your alliance is fighting and losing a 10 v 15 ship battle in the next system. Carebears never show up to CTA's either, and if there is a question about "home defence" (ie there are too many reds in the system for them to mine comfortably) they will simply log off, instead of actually helping.

When confronted with this and basically told "help out or else", they will quote the fact that they are industrial toons with no skills. When told that fast tackle is always necessary and it only takes a few hours training to fly a frigate with a warp disruptor and sensor booster, they will go quiet and probably make plans to quit the alliance.

Care-bears are the scourge of EVE. PLEASE do not send them to nullsec, it's hard enough to weed them out here. Let the jihad continue until they realize they have to actually fight for the right to live like everyone else.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#94 - 2012-04-30 14:21:39 UTC
It's like talking to a wall, it is.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Kno Bodeesbitch
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2012-04-30 15:03:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kno Bodeesbitch
Ptraci wrote:
knobber Jobbler wrote:


Maybe become a null bear and mine in space you've conquered and protect? Thats to obvious isn't it.


But - but but that means actual work! Carebears will not assist in the conquering sov part, they will only show up in droves when dead end system and refinery stations are linked with jump bridges. Whatdoyoumean 600M a month sov bill per bridge? Carebears will also happily continue mining when the rest of your alliance is fighting and losing a 10 v 15 ship battle in the next system. Carebears never show up to CTA's either, and if there is a question about "home defence" (ie there are too many reds in the system for them to mine comfortably) they will simply log off, instead of actually helping.

When confronted with this and basically told "help out or else", they will quote the fact that they are industrial toons with no skills. When told that fast tackle is always necessary and it only takes a few hours training to fly a frigate with a warp disruptor and sensor booster, they will go quiet and probably make plans to quit the alliance.

Care-bears are the scourge of EVE. PLEASE do not send them to nullsec, it's hard enough to weed them out here. Let the jihad continue until they realize they have to actually fight for the right to live like everyone else.


Q:Daddy...where does the stuff come from that makes your scary fighting ship?

A: Well...you see...when a man likes a ship...the stork comes... Roll
Axis Raikkonen
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#96 - 2012-04-30 15:11:50 UTC
The OP wrote:
I walk around blindfolded with my hands tied behind my back. I'm so h4rdc0r3 1337 xXxSePhIrOtHxXx ~elite pve~


This.

Also, you've obviously never seen/flown a battlehulk.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#97 - 2012-04-30 15:13:24 UTC
Axis Raikkonen wrote:
The OP wrote:
I walk around blindfolded with my hands tied behind my back. I'm so h4rdc0r3 1337 xXxSePhIrOtHxXx ~elite pve~


This.

Also, you've obviously never seen/flown a battlehulk.



.....and you expect to be taken seriously...........................

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Sri Bolyn
Disciples of the Void
#98 - 2012-04-30 15:14:06 UTC
Kno Bodeesbitch wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
knobber Jobbler wrote:


Maybe become a null bear and mine in space you've conquered and protect? Thats to obvious isn't it.


But - but but that means actual work! Carebears will not assist in the conquering sov part, they will only show up in droves when dead end system and refinery stations are linked with jump bridges. Whatdoyoumean 600M a month sov bill per bridge? Carebears will also happily continue mining when the rest of your alliance is fighting and losing a 10 v 15 ship battle in the next system. Carebears never show up to CTA's either, and if there is a question about "home defence" (ie there are too many reds in the system for them to mine comfortably) they will simply log off, instead of actually helping.

When confronted with this and basically told "help out or else", they will quote the fact that they are industrial toons with no skills. When told that fast tackle is always necessary and it only takes a few hours training to fly a frigate with a warp disruptor and sensor booster, they will go quiet and probably make plans to quit the alliance.

Care-bears are the scourge of EVE. PLEASE do not send them to nullsec, it's hard enough to weed them out here. Let the jihad continue until they realize they have to actually fight for the right to live like everyone else.


Q:Daddy...where does the stuff come from that makes your scary fighting ship?

A: Well...you see...when a man likes a ship...the stork comes... Roll


That is actually a decent point...where does the station,POS,Jump bridge, ammo, modules that we all use come from?

In your example, if the industrialists came to CTA's would you reciprocate by hauling their ore back and forth for them?

Would you train mining leadership skills so you could boost them from time to time?
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#99 - 2012-04-30 15:15:15 UTC
Trinity Six wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
There are more ships destroyed in hi-sec on any given day than null-sec and low-sec combined.

For this reason, I am moving to rename "carebears" to "hardbears" and renaming "nullbears" to "carebears".


You are bad and should feel bad. There are many, many MANY more players in hisec than elsewhere. Of course there are more kills.
Come back with some per-capita numbers supporting your claim and I might listen to you.
Also, this is a stupid thread.


I'm awesome and I feel great.
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#100 - 2012-04-30 15:17:09 UTC
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Ganking hi-sec players (miners, mission runners, etc) has become a sport, complete with prizes and private, alliance sponsored insurance payouts for ships lost in the process. The fact is if you're in a Hulk or any type of hauler, you are automatically a target and you have almost no way to defend yourself. There are more ships destroyed in hi-sec on any given day than null-sec and low-sec combined.

For this reason, I am moving to rename "carebears" to "hardbears" and renaming "nullbears" to "carebears".


You have plenty of tools to defend yourself. You just chose not to.

Maybe become a null bear and mine in space you've conquered and protect? Thats to obvious isn't it.


When you personally conquer and subdue a null-sec system, then you can talk to me. Until then, enjoy being irrelevant.