EVE General Discussion

They might participate in them in order to mock the whiners. I know I do.

Only two of those changes I mentioned were declared exploits, one of which was in favour of care bears and the decision to declare it an exploit was reversed.

As for being able to warp under GCC, this was known about and used widely prior to miners crying about it on the forums. In fact it used to be possible to continuously warp about to evade GCC for the full 15 minutes timers, CCP chose to keep warping and declare that only evading ship destruction was an exploit, until miners cried about it.


Tier 3 BC without insurance = considerably more expensive than a maelstrom with insurance.

Lol, rather amusing quote from CCP in that article:


As for the "bookmark escaping agro bug", that doesn't sound like the boomerang CCP, and players, have always referred to the boomerang as... well... the boomerang. Which doesn't involve bookmarks, or evade the consequences, this sounds like something else?


*The unedited CCP quote. Wonder what it was? ^^ Google search for it just shows this article, and some post on a gaming site where someone else is asking the same question.


Having to lose every single ship when you engage something, because it's the only way to engage anything effectively in high sec, makes suicide ganking an expensive hobby. Not to mention the fact that it requires enough ships of sufficient size and cost to kill your targets in an alpha strike.

How would you like it if your hulk exploded every time you mined an asteroid? Oh, you got far less ISK from that one cycle than your ship cost? Welcome to suicide ganking.

the boomerang wasnt the one that let you kill multiple ships at a time thereby "evading" CONCORD until they caught up to you? Technically as I understand the reason it WAS called a exploit in the first place was cause you evade getting killed the first time. REGARDLESS of if you eventually get killed you were supposed to be killed the first time, not kill, warp, kill, warp, kill warp, kill then get killed by CONCORD. As far as CCP is concerned if you kill 4 ppl you should be getting killed 4 times so by their logic youre "evading" e punishments with the boomerang thing. What OTHER exploit was fixed about 3 weeks ago? I dont remember hearing about one that involved bookmarks do you? Im thinking the guy doing the article was either wrong or the CCP got confused (that are supposedly human and all).

and yes I editted the quote BECAUSE te bookmarks part doesnt make sense, BECAUSE there was no bookmark exploit
unless someone can provide me a link to correct me?

Hmm, well the thing is that the boomerang exploit didn't so much evade consequences, which has always been an exploit, as it did delay them.

And what intrigues me is just the specific mention of bookmarks and aggression? Could just be that he messed up on the wording, but it did remind me of this, which was also in the patch three weeks ago:

"New Eden has become a better place by fixing an exploit."

From the patch notes, this was rather cryptically posted along side the boomerang and the pax amarria fixes. I know we're not supposed to discuss exploits unless they're commonly known, and CCP never releases details, but hey, I like knowing how stuff works. And I'm a sucker for curiosity :D


I'll be honest I always despise the idea of encouraging or discouraging an in game mechanic based on realism, or based on real life logic.

I would agree to insurance payout on more expensive T1 ships receiving a bit of a nerf, but to be honest on the smaller ships it needs to be there to give the newbies a security blanket. While we can afford to lose hundreds of battle cruisers a month if necessary, new players can't replace their ships so easily.

And whilst I am aware that it is called "suicide ganking" there was a time, not long ago, when suicide ganking the majority of ships was (almost) profitable. This is no longer so. Until they fix war dec mechanics that has pretty effectively killed off meaningful high sec PvP.

(Not that suicide ganking is particularly satisfying or "meaningful" PvP anyway.)

carebears come in many vartieties

dumbbears are the miners. there are way more profitable things for them to be doing but they mine
nullbear. nullsec resident
fwbear. farms fw lp all day
robobear. bots

Mining is not an un-profitable enterprise when done correctly. Infact I know quite a few players who's main ISK source is mining and they make alot of ISK (alot by my standards is in the billions)

Simi Kusoni I'll make this as easy as possible for you. Their are four methods of non-consensual combat in hi-sec.

1) War decs
2) Suicide attacks
3) trickery ( making the other peson unwittingly aggress you so you can retaliate)
4) Join thier corp (attacking corp mates does not flag you)

All four of these methods are governed by mechanics set by CCP. It is these mechanics that CCP alters to make things harder/easier more profitbale/less profitable. By changing the mechanics CCP are not reducing the number of methods of non-consensual combat in hi-sec. The Boomerang exploit was closed but suicide attacks can still occure.

If I've missed some please enlighten me.

Haven't you seen Die Hard?

You are both missing quite a few. Short off the top of my head list:

Relisting
Market manipulation
Ninja mining
Flame wars(forum pvp ftw)
Taking up all the industry slow you can simply to prevent others from being able to effective do manufacturing/research
Stealing people mission loot
Stealing peoples drop in deadspace complexes

Thats just from about 10 seconds of thinking.

EVERYTHING you do in EVE is PVP, most of it non-consensual, except for the fact that you consent to it by simply logging in.

There is no insurance for ganking, but luckily we get 120mil reimbursement per lost tornado from alliance.
But don't worry about state of goon finances, after all, all of you sponsored this event by buying T2 ships built with our technetium