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Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#1 - 2012-04-29 14:41:33 UTC
Resolution.

The CTCS operates mostly according to a set of Rules that is Equivalent to the Common initialism NRDS.

Yaay.

An Unresolvable Problem Occurred.

According to Statements by the Diplomats of -TRA , the CTCS is Neutral to -TRA.

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[14:15:38] Synthetic Cultist > the Rek Jaiga. Query. Red or Blue or Neutral. What is the Current Situation.
[14:16:18] (-TRA Official Diplomat) Rek Jaiga > Hm...definitely not red. I don't see why we would be.

[16:37:12 ] Valerie Valate > You will probably observe an orange or red icon next to my name.
[16:37:47 ] (-TRA CEO) Kikia Truzhari > You're actually not red to us...hm.
[16:38:19 ] Valerie Valate > Yaay



According to -TRA official publicly viewable information, the CTCS is Red to -TRA.

http://teraamatar.userboard.net/t18-current-standings-record

Quote:
Red
These groups are red, and therefore free to fire upon
Corporations
Church of the Crimson Savior


This Situation places the CTCS in an Untenable Situation, regarding the CTCS Plans for Minmatar Space, in that a Surprise Attack may Occur.

A Resolution is Sought.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#2 - 2012-04-29 15:41:12 UTC
I don't doubt Teraa matar's integrity, I am sure it is just a clerical error.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#3 - 2012-04-29 16:54:32 UTC
Most definitely a clerical error, as my NeoCom shows CTCS as being neutral. I'll give Kikia a poke about it. If she's not available to take action I can reset standings myself, as I do believe such a thing is within my duties/rights.
Bai'xao Meiyi
#4 - 2012-04-29 17:25:48 UTC
Speaking for myself and with no clout whatsoever really, I'd prefer us to at least be neutral with CTCS. I like them, there profoundly interesting women.
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2012-04-30 04:10:48 UTC
So, Teraa Matar now has no issues being "neutral" with an entity whose goals include forced conversions under the threat of being torturously drained of blood if one does not join them in their own practices.

Good to know.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#6 - 2012-04-30 04:37:53 UTC
Esna Pitoojee wrote:
So, Teraa Matar now has no issues being "neutral" with an entity whose goals include forced conversions under the threat of being torturously drained of blood if one does not join them in their own practices.

Good to know.


As long as they don't take slaves, I assume.

Katrina Oniseki
Boma Airaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-04-30 04:52:18 UTC
Once again the moldy heathens make an oops in public.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-04-30 05:09:43 UTC
Hey now, who said anything about moldy?

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Simca Develon
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-04-30 05:39:55 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
Most definitely a clerical error, as my NeoCom shows CTCS as being neutral. I'll give Kikia a poke about it. If she's not available to take action I can reset standings myself, as I do believe such a thing is within my duties/rights.


Interesting.

Je suis le commencement de votre fin.

Le diable prend soin de son proper.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#10 - 2012-04-30 10:55:14 UTC
Esna Pitoojee wrote:
So, Teraa Matar now has no issues being "neutral" with an entity whose goals include forced conversions under the threat of being torturously drained of blood if one does not join them in their own practices.

Good to know.


Negative. As far as we are aware, Church of the Crimson Saviour does not engage in the same brutal practices of the Blood Raider Covenant. Here is where we must distinguish between Sani Sabik as a whole and the Blood Raiders. Of course, if you've evidence of brutal malpractice on the part of CTCS, do present it so we can resolve this matter as quickly as possible!
Kohiko Sun
Stormcrows
#11 - 2012-04-30 11:08:05 UTC
Boma Airaken wrote:
Once again the moldy heathens make an oops in public.

I like living in Moldy Heath. When the gravity generators misbehave in these old stations, some of the oopses can be very memorable.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2012-04-30 12:38:46 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
Esna Pitoojee wrote:
So, Teraa Matar now has no issues being "neutral" with an entity whose goals include forced conversions under the threat of being torturously drained of blood if one does not join them in their own practices.

Good to know.


Negative. As far as we are aware, Church of the Crimson Saviour does not engage in the same brutal practices of the Blood Raider Covenant. Here is where we must distinguish between Sani Sabik as a whole and the Blood Raiders. Of course, if you've evidence of brutal malpractice on the part of CTCS, do present it so we can resolve this matter as quickly as possible!


You might want to ask for their demonstratory video. It is not especially demonstratory of blood raiders practices, but definitly of blooder oriented practices that goes beyond usual Sani Sabikism.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#13 - 2012-04-30 12:44:08 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Rek Jaiga wrote:
Esna Pitoojee wrote:
So, Teraa Matar now has no issues being "neutral" with an entity whose goals include forced conversions under the threat of being torturously drained of blood if one does not join them in their own practices.

Good to know.


Negative. As far as we are aware, Church of the Crimson Saviour does not engage in the same brutal practices of the Blood Raider Covenant. Here is where we must distinguish between Sani Sabik as a whole and the Blood Raiders. Of course, if you've evidence of brutal malpractice on the part of CTCS, do present it so we can resolve this matter as quickly as possible!


You might want to ask for their demonstratory video. It is not especially demonstratory of blood raiders practices, but definitly of blooder oriented practices that goes beyond usual Sani Sabikism.


It seemed to stress voluntary participation when I saw it.

Katrina Oniseki
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#14 - 2012-04-30 13:10:42 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Rek Jaiga wrote:
Esna Pitoojee wrote:
So, Teraa Matar now has no issues being "neutral" with an entity whose goals include forced conversions under the threat of being torturously drained of blood if one does not join them in their own practices.

Good to know.


Negative. As far as we are aware, Church of the Crimson Saviour does not engage in the same brutal practices of the Blood Raider Covenant. Here is where we must distinguish between Sani Sabik as a whole and the Blood Raiders. Of course, if you've evidence of brutal malpractice on the part of CTCS, do present it so we can resolve this matter as quickly as possible!


You might want to ask for their demonstratory video. It is not especially demonstratory of blood raiders practices, but definitly of blooder oriented practices that goes beyond usual Sani Sabikism.


It seemed to stress voluntary participation when I saw it.


This is the case. The video uses a member of their church named 'Ritual Sacrifice'. I've spoken with her. She is quite alive and well, or was when I spoke with her, which was after the introduction of the video.

In addition, I have never once heard the CTCS talk about Omir Sarikusa, let alone say that they are followers of him.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#15 - 2012-04-30 13:16:35 UTC
Backing thr words of Katrina and Tiberious. I was among the first to see the video and the girl was involved in the ritual willingly. Her fluids were even returned to her body at the end. There was nothing malevolent about the practice.

Furthermore, as far as I can tell CTCS does not keep slaves (and if I recall a more distant IGS post are actually opposed to the practice thereof), and they are ideologically opposed to the Theology Council, and so the Empire itself by extension. They've also aided a close personal friend of Teraa Matar. Sounds nifty to me.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2012-04-30 13:22:58 UTC
This is what I said. It goes beyond Sani Sabikism, but is not closer to Blood Raiders practices.

Though I have to admit that I thought it would disgust you.
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#17 - 2012-04-30 16:42:01 UTC
Quoted directly from CTCS disseminated leaflets:

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Draining blood:

Blood loss causes delirium, and with the appropriate suggestion, religious visions, crossing the boundary to the spirit world. or similar.
Draining blood from the sinners, allows their soul to soar and be close to God, giving them redemption.
Draining blood from converts/the chosen allows the same religious visions, and refilling it creates the bond of blood-brothers and such things.


Therefore, raiding the Unrighteous, and offering them conversion to the Blood Friends, is a noble act. Those that convert, are Saved, yaay. Those that don't, their blood is drained, allowing them to be close to God and be saved that way instead, yaay.

And the Theology Council tells lies and slanders.


Considering they've stated that "unrighteous" and "sinners" are basically equivalent to "anyone-not-us", I'd say that's a pretty explicit call for conversion or death by Blooding of innocent lives.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#18 - 2012-04-30 16:46:57 UTC
Interesting information, Esna. I will allow a representative from CTCS to clarify and discuss the finer points of their theology here before we make an official decision. That being said, actions speak louder than words, and I have yet to see any members from CTCS engage in anything resembling forced conversion or even really anything that could be considered violent.
Ritual Sacrifice
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#19 - 2012-04-30 17:31:15 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
The video uses a member of their church named 'Ritual Sacrifice'. I've spoken with her. She is quite alive and well, or was when I spoke with her, which was after the introduction of the video.


Howdy y'all.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#20 - 2012-04-30 17:39:07 UTC
Ritual Sacrifice wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
The video uses a member of their church named 'Ritual Sacrifice'. I've spoken with her. She is quite alive and well, or was when I spoke with her, which was after the introduction of the video.


Howdy y'all.


Hello, Ritual. You look as lovely and alive as ever!
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