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Why are Eve traders so obsessed with making ISK?...

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Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-04-28 15:56:43 UTC
... when you can put the same effort into studying RL markets and make real life dollars?

Is making monopoly money that important to you?
Ethilia
Freelance Excavation and Resistance
#2 - 2012-04-28 16:01:07 UTC
The real life market if fixed by the rich. Eve's market is far closer to a 'free market'.
Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
#3 - 2012-04-28 16:09:24 UTC
For the same reason not many players want to be RL miners or outlaws.

And for real RL market and EVE market share some things but remain very different; one of the two is much more risky and hazardous than the other Smile

[u]Short time trader, short term missionner, long term ambitions.[/u]

Bring justice to EVE: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1171333

Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#4 - 2012-04-28 16:11:05 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
... when you can put the same effort into studying RL markets and make real life dollars?

It's not an either/or situation.

There are plenty of EVE players with RL wealth as well as EVE wealth and plenty of EVE market players who also trade in RL.

I'm well off enough in RL not to have to really work anymore, having made good money in the software industry during the early boom years. I'm happily semi-retired from that and find EVE provides a good amount of mental stimulation that I might not otherwise get from a life that is now dominated by social and domestic affairs. It's a good hobby.

Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Is making monopoly money that important to you?

No, it's not important at all. That's kind of the point.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-04-28 16:26:41 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
... when you can put the same effort into studying RL markets and make real life dollars?


False premise.
Llyandrian
Livestock Science Exchange
#6 - 2012-04-28 18:21:13 UTC

RL markets like EVE market are rigged in favour of the insiders, but in EVE we are the insiders.
Flakey Foont
#7 - 2012-04-28 18:24:46 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
... when you can put the same effort into studying RL markets and make real life dollars?

Is making monopoly money that important to you?



Who says some don't do both?
Dan Osiris
Never Not Contract
#8 - 2012-04-28 18:28:34 UTC
..can't.. stop... trading. must... make...fake... space.. currency...
SileconBridgeBurner
PontyPool
#9 - 2012-04-28 18:44:37 UTC
EVE introduced me to detailed markets.
It peaked my interest and I am actually now an Investment Assistant and going towards being a broker in a few years.
tradingggg Sotken
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-04-28 18:51:20 UTC  |  Edited by: tradingggg Sotken
Bad Bobby wrote:
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
... when you can put the same effort into studying RL markets and make real life dollars?

It's not an either/or situation.

There are plenty of EVE players with RL wealth as well as EVE wealth and plenty of EVE market players who also trade in RL.

I'm well off enough in RL not to have to really work anymore, having made good money in the software industry during the early boom years. I'm happily semi-retired from that and find EVE provides a good amount of mental stimulation that I might not otherwise get from a life that is now dominated by social and domestic affairs. It's a good hobby.

Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Is making monopoly money that important to you?

No, it's not important at all. That's kind of the point.



That also means you're old =P Better start spending all that ISK you got from the Titan BPO's, because there are no Living Wills in Eve =P
Tekota
The Freighter Factory
#11 - 2012-04-28 18:53:23 UTC
As for the comparison to real life market trading - it's bogus. Eve trading requires a primary school level of mathematic ability. Incidentally so does RL investment banking - the myth that it's much more complicated than, for example, brain surgery or rocket science, being perpetuated by investment bankers to justify pay packets orders of magnitude greater than far more useful individuals such as brain surgeons and rocket scientists.

Ahem. Nevertheless, Eve trading has as much similarity with RL trading as Eve mining has with RL mining.

As for why people do it - it's pixels on a screen, people like to see numbers go up. It's no different to a kill/death ratio. Games are ultimately pointless endeavours which provide entertainment and by providing a means to shoot other people in the face perhaps prevent us from becoming a serial killer in real life. And if Eve trading can prevent just one otherwise well adjusted individual from becoming an investment banker in real life then society as a whole can breath a sigh of relief.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#12 - 2012-04-28 19:33:27 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
... when you can put the same effort into studying RL markets and make real life dollars?

Is making monopoly money that important to you?


EvE got me started at RL trading, now that I RL trade I also trade in the same way in EvE. Fun and win!
Liberty Eternal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-04-28 19:36:25 UTC
Because I don't actually have 40 billion dollars in real life.
Vandy ColdStone
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-04-29 00:56:45 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
... when you can put the same effort into studying RL markets and make real life dollars?

Is making monopoly money that important to you?



Because I can't pick up 50 semi loads of 12G Buckshot from wal-mart in dallas, and resell for double profit at wal-mart in Miami.

Don't be mad because we have more isk.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#15 - 2012-04-29 00:59:46 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Why are Eve traders so obsessed with making ISK when you can put the same effort into studying RL markets and make real life dollars?

Not quite true.

RL markets are far, far more complex, for starters.
Also, for RL economies, it's borderline impossible to accurately predict some future conditions which will affect them, whereas in EVE, you have devblogs and SiSi to tell you almost exactly that.
And finally, because acquiring a significant "seed capital" in EVE is trivial, and the consequences of its total loss are minimal, but in RL it's pretty hard to get the capital and losing it all would be horrible.

IRL, give me some obligations-free cash and a way to predict some types of events that will happen in the near future, and I'll totally switch my RL job to a RL trader !
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2012-04-29 01:58:45 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
... when you can put the same effort into studying RL markets and make real life dollars?

Is making monopoly money that important to you?


It's probably the same reason people who build spaceships in Eve don't build spaceships in real life.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#17 - 2012-04-29 02:30:59 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Why are Eve traders so obsessed with making ISK when you can put the same effort into studying RL markets and make real life dollars?

Not quite true.

RL markets are far, far more complex, for starters.
Also, for RL economies, it's borderline impossible to accurately predict some future conditions which will affect them, whereas in EVE, you have devblogs and SiSi to tell you almost exactly that.
And finally, because acquiring a significant "seed capital" in EVE is trivial, and the consequences of its total loss are minimal, but in RL it's pretty hard to get the capital and losing it all would be horrible.

IRL, give me some obligations-free cash and a way to predict some types of events that will happen in the near future, and I'll totally switch my RL job to a RL trader !


Akita T with the best post in the thread. Now there's a rare sight.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#18 - 2012-04-29 06:46:45 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Akita T wrote:
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Why are Eve traders so obsessed with making ISK when you can put the same effort into studying RL markets and make real life dollars?

Not quite true.

RL markets are far, far more complex, for starters.
Also, for RL economies, it's borderline impossible to accurately predict some future conditions which will affect them, whereas in EVE, you have devblogs and SiSi to tell you almost exactly that.
And finally, because acquiring a significant "seed capital" in EVE is trivial, and the consequences of its total loss are minimal, but in RL it's pretty hard to get the capital and losing it all would be horrible.

IRL, give me some obligations-free cash and a way to predict some types of events that will happen in the near future, and I'll totally switch my RL job to a RL trader !


Akita T with the best post in the thread. Now there's a rare sight.


Yet it's not entirely correct.

In RL only some huge institutions (those that actually make the markets) have to deal with and analyze those grand and ever changing market equilibrium causes.
The have both the money and the economists to do so and can also adjust the markets when they are not completely right.

RL pit traders (those left) piggy back on large institutions orders they themselves deal.
Others do heavy arbitrage (manual or with high frequency trading), which is more of an automated tool than real "economy analysis" based trading.

All the others don't need all of the complexity. Sure, from 81% to 95% (the numbers change across years and nations (the least losers seem to be in Germany) and who knows how much comes from real statistics) lose their neck over the markets, but the rest gain money without needing to know what's going on.
Price talks and leaves tips about where it might go next.
Johnny Frecko
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-04-29 08:04:47 UTC
VV the funny thing is that if you take the average ratio of return(in %), all those huge hedge funds and trust funds and insurance companies havn't made any profit, well, not anything higher than the actual market changes.

In the long run(10-15 years), even those who are paid to predict, with the a sea of people and comuters, fail to provide a real expectency for profit, and provide only market profit.
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-04-29 16:07:57 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
... when you can put the same effort into studying RL markets and make real life dollars?

Is making monopoly money that important to you?



You need to go out more ... Real life market moneymaking is quiiiiite different then EVE stuff.


I mean really ... wake up Straight
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