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1. “New blood” coming out to 0.0 relies heavily on older players for logistics/fleet leadership as in fleet compositions, fc’s etc. to begin with. I doubt that will change.

2. “New blood” would not be fling expensive ships due to a lack of skills. Unless they sunk rl money into the game to buy a toon, then they could probably afford to sink more to buy items with plex.

3. Would you seriously want to own 200 accounts and spend all day every day logging them in and out…..? you wouldn’t get any play time, just loading screens

4. I do not believe earning less isk and paying more on sov would make it harder at all for people to enter 0.0. I do believe it would make it harder for large alliances to make such a huge profit and will reduce the amount of super caps being built. creating a lot more mid to high range moons will also lower the cost of t2 ships/items

5. I entered 0.0 long before anoms and other easy sources of isk where created.” I just started playing today and want to be in a faction fitted machariel tomorrow” attitude is not how I think of eve

6. Your idea on making it harder work to hold sov is a great idea, the more systems an alliance controls the more work it takes, through sov costing or other means, thus encouraging cooperation among more of the members.. More players and more alts.

7. The question should not be “can it be abused?” it should be “can it be abused more or less than the current system?”

4. I do not believe earning less isk and paying more on sov would make it harder at all for people to enter 0.0. I do believe it would make it harder for large alliances to make such a huge profit and will reduce the amount of super caps being built. creating a lot more mid to high range moons will also lower the cost of t2 ships/items

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curent cost off t2 items grows not on moongo basis but on PI basis, that to expensive and will need more increse reaction prices to hold reactions atal soon you wil by vaga for 250 milj as minimum.

1. What does that have to do with anything? If the top guys in a new alliance are old guard, but the membership are newbies, making it harder to live in 0.0 is going to affect them MORE than established alliances, where people will already have alternate income sources figured out, and will know what they're doing.

2. You can't hold sov with rifters. A fleet battleship costs me around 200 million, even a fleet battlecruiser costs around 60. Halving the amount of isk you can earn out in nullsec (Which, might I add, would place 0.0 WELL below empire level 4 missions in terms of isk earnt) would mean you'd price anyone without an already full wallet out of pvp entirely, and probably drive large parts opf the nullsec crowd back to empire (or to wormholes I guess?), thus making it even more of a wasteland

3. 3 alts per account across multiple accounts, funded by PLEX bought with moongoo, you wouldn't actually need to log most of them in most days. Command structures would evolve pretty quickly to handle it all.

4. You are dumb. Earning less isk than highsec and paying ludicrous sums for the privilege NOT making it harder to move in? Even if you somehow do manage to get the big aliances to stop holding sov in worthless systems, why exactly do you think they'd allow a band of randoms from highsec to move in? They might not hold sov in a system, but you can bet they'd kill you if you tried to take it. There are plenty of systems in, say. Branch and Vale of the silent that have no sov, why not take your band of merry highsec guys and try to take just one of them for more than a week? :)

5. Good for you.

6. What?

7. Again, what?


In short, you really have no idea what you're talking about. WHY is it a bad thing to have friends in this game anyway?

5 cents from a 5th day server player/ beta tester


A) Jump bridges destroyed the possibility to build great societies in 0.0 it made relatively easy for small group to hold resources like never.

B) Get the guns back into the pos shield. Create a system to focus fire or give automatic actions by using a filter , preferred targets by size, range etc for every gun

Get power grid and cpu upgrades onto pos.

C) Get audio alert on red or neutral entering in a system

the hell if i can follow what you are saying

Its a good idea, but as people have pointed out, it will do nothing in the long run as people will always re-orientate themselves into smaller groups all controlled by a larger entity to hold the space at the same costs as old.

With that in mind, it does nothing to actually bring in new small entities. If anything, it excludes them as sub-sections of large entities spread themselves out further than they could as their previous larger unit.

Also, in before the stealth whine from CVA about CCP being mean to them about space costs.

Hi, I just posted in the ideas forum and then came across this thread which also talks about cost per size of corporation, and I wondered if the concepts of culture and corruption had been considered as a mechanism for balancing corp size. In effect the Civilisation games had some great concepts that could surely translate to the the Eve universe. It amounts to the same thing, but culture and corruption becomes 2 additional forms of meta cultural currency that would effect the Corp dynamics and provide a model where a small corp can survive with the big boys and have some advantages. The issue of stopping big corps from splitting and forming little corps under an umbrella could be managed, lets say with an inverse 'monopoly commission' that monitors corp behaviour.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=10819&find=unread

Ye thats very true, but if you focus on sorting that problem of big clans pretending to be lots of little clans in isolation then it does open all sorts of avenues.

You could balance it along the lines of assets maybe, the larger the corp the more assets it can manage through economies of scale and synergy calculations., but the greater the affect of corruption/war/culture. Small Clans aim for lower profit lines and lower assets, 2 small clans the size of 1 big clan makes less profit and holds less resources but has more powerful defenses through lower corruption impact of war for example, it is less affected from corruption/war/culture. I know there are flaws in this, but the addition of culture/corruption/other types of currency gives addition dimensions that can provide a more dynamic system that can provide conflicting rewards and punishments.

Apologies, my reply was not ment in the tone you have given it and ofcos my posts are opinions, this thread has turned into quite an enjoyable discussion with quite a few good ideas. I hope it continues to expand.

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that wil not change enyting ppl wil be moving to staging points eny way large alainces have titans and much offt them, can evwen crerate cpecial holding alts ad nput them in special sytems like JBs for nonstop jumps for fleets. ppl wil be blobed eny way there you or ccp even cant do a ahit even if they will bring this cryuisy idea about cost more space will be more lainces and again the same blob :) that 0.0 that not low sec 0.0 for big tings low sec for small tings like small gangs.