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Exhumers need a serious buff.
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Hortense Sledgemallet
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-04-27 12:18:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Hortense Sledgemallet
Eve has changed.
Suiciding exhumers in high sec is so popular it is necessary to buff the exhumers.
Apparently the 12 year old style of play grows every day. Roll
Buff the exhumers or change the rules.
Suiciding in high sec is just idiotic.
Industry is not that much fun when it is so stressful.
I fail to see how PVP needs to be in every aspect of the game.
Zarere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-04-27 12:43:59 UTC
I dont see any ideas in your post, nor do i see any features that could help.

I fail to see this post as anything but a regular whinepost, therefore i will give you a whinepost reply:

htfu and get out of highsec.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-04-27 13:28:44 UTC
Hortense Sledgemallet wrote:

I fail to see how PVP needs to be in every aspect of the game.



But it is and always has been. This is a PVP game.
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-04-27 13:35:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington
- Tank your exhumers
- Mine in security higher than 0.5
- Stay aligned/alert
- If possible, get a link/RR Orca with you. One of my corpmates uses that and watching destroyers pile in and explode pointlessly is hilarious.
- Mine in deadspace sites/missions

There, I just provided 5 ways of making yourself significantly harder to suicide gank. No doubt there are more that I've missed, but if you're sitting around in a 0.5 with 2 MLUs and nothing but a small shield booster or whatever for tank, WTF do you expect to happen?
Maybe give exhumers some more PG/CPU to fit extra tank, but as it stands there are plenty of ways to give gankers a hard time.

Oh sorry I forgot, making yourself harder to suicide gank requires effort/using your brain, two things miners seem extremely reluctant to do.
Hortense Sledgemallet
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-04-27 13:39:10 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Hortense Sledgemallet wrote:

I fail to see how PVP needs to be in every aspect of the game.



But it is and always has been. This is a PVP game.


No, it is not.
Daesul ShadoWind
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-04-27 13:42:48 UTC
Should be in line with HAC tankablility if anything or just a little beneath it.
Exhumors are cruisers that are T2 and have no active weapon systems.

Learn to throw a tank on them and don't equip for the 100% profit margin.
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-04-27 13:50:12 UTC
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No, it is not.

CCP and the vast majority of the playerbase beg to differ.
Zarere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-04-27 13:51:15 UTC
Hortense Sledgemallet wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
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No, it is not.


Yes it is, eve is based on player competition, be it on the market, to get the best roids, or to pop that pesky exhumer that keeps looking at you in a funny way.
Teshania
Silent Lazy Miners
#9 - 2012-04-27 13:55:57 UTC
Yes part of me thinks there should be a bit more CPU/power on the Hulk, not a whole lot.

But with that being said, 90% of the hulks i see being ganked are idiots who fit Strip miners, a Survey scanner, and either 2 Mining upgrades or 2 expanded cargo holds. SO here is suggestions.

LEARN TO BE A HARD TARGET!!!

How to be a hard target.

1) Fit a damn TANK and Turn your hardeners on!!
Damage control II
Invuln Shield II
EM Ward

RIG
Shield Expanders
or
More resists

2) Warp to a belt, and align out, towards a POS or station.

3) WATCH LOCAL, IF a known hostial comes into the system, Dock up! or get into your POS!

4) Watch your OVERVIEW! If some one comes in with a Gank type ship DOCK UP or warp to POS!!

We need a Bounty Button on the Forums
Hortense Sledgemallet
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-04-27 13:57:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Hortense Sledgemallet
Eve has PVP in it.
But it is not a PVP game. It is many things.
Those who keep insisting that, do it because thats how they want the game to work for them.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2012-04-27 14:03:07 UTC
Hortense Sledgemallet wrote:
Eve has PVP in it.
But it is not a PVP game. It is many things.
Those who keep insisting that, do it because thats how they want the game to work for them.


Please explain to me what aspect of the game you feel does not include any elements of PVP whatsoever.
Sadleric
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-04-27 14:04:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Sadleric
Hortense Sledgemallet wrote:
Eve has changed.
Suiciding exhumers in high sec is so popular it is necessary to buff the exhumers.

I fail to see how PVP needs to be in every aspect of the game.


EvE has changed consistently in the favor of miners. Apparently, one used to have to stay aligned to a celestial to survive in high-security space early on in the game. With insistence that high-security miners be able to play EvE while watching television or doing homework, Concord response times, security status penalties, insurance payouts, ship health, and interdiction tools available in high sec in favor of miners without exception.

Eve has changed! In your favor. All the time. I suppose we do agree on the notion that change is necessary.
Teshania
Silent Lazy Miners
#13 - 2012-04-27 14:05:13 UTC
I spend more time on a belt then i care to say!

PVP is what keeps the Economy going in this game. With out people blowing each other up, there would be no need to be on a belt to build more ships.

You will die every time IF you are not paying attention!

Trust me fastest way to **** off a ganker is to survive it! Make them spend more isk then what it is worth to gang you! Flying with expanded Cargo holds in your low does not help you. Learn to fit your ships and watch your surroundings. 90% of the time you will see the warning signs you are about to become a target before you are!

I do agree Hulks should get a little more CPU/Power so they can fit a medium shield extender and 1 mining laser upgrade along with shield hardeners and Shield hardening Rigs.

But at the same time The Hulk Pilots Need to be paying attention!

We need a Bounty Button on the Forums
Hortense Sledgemallet
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-04-27 14:07:11 UTC
CCP, please make Hulks better able to defend themselves.
As it is right now the game is unbalanced in that respect.
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-04-27 14:09:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington
Notice how the OP is ignoring every legitimate suggestion on avoiding being ganked.

This indicates they're either:
- A troll
- An idiot
- A miner that doesn't want to give up their precious mining laser upgrades
- A mixture of the above.

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CCP, please make Hulks better able to defend themselves.
As it is right now the game is unbalanced in that respect.

You have just been given a lengthy list of options to help defend your Hulk. Twice, in fact.
Teshania
Silent Lazy Miners
#16 - 2012-04-27 14:15:50 UTC
Notice how they are avoiding me saying Learn to Tank your damn hulk!.. Eve is about Risk Vs Reward.

We need a Bounty Button on the Forums
Hortense Sledgemallet
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-04-27 14:26:30 UTC
My Hulks are tanked fine.
Have been since I lost one 1.5 years ago.
I want the Hulks buffed to affect the game as a whole, not just me.

And for those of you that choose to act hostile and insult me, don't hold your breath waiting for a reply. Roll
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-04-27 14:31:09 UTC
Quote:
And for those of you that choose to act hostile and insult me, don't hold your breath waiting for a reply.

Ignoring legitimate responses doesn't exactly help your case.
People have made counterpoints to your arguments, answer them or shut the **** up.
Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-04-27 14:33:03 UTC
Oh lordy. I haven't seen any insults thrown around in this thread and to be honest, for a while I thought that Hulks were a bit thin on the ground regarding their tanks.

But then I started messing in EFT and realised you can get 20k EHP very easily when you aren't filling your low slots with MLU II's. The only real issue I have with Exhumers is their woeful agility. It is horrid.

But you can be aligned whilst mining in them for a very long time as you have decent range with those strip miners.

I am gonna fall in with the "Hulk's are fine" crowd. Maybe a sidge more PG/CPU but that's about it.
Teshania
Silent Lazy Miners
#20 - 2012-04-27 14:37:18 UTC
Hostile no, just stating a point that this game is about Risk Vs. Reward.
PvP and player interaction with each other is what fuels this game. Watch over the next month as Hulkageon goes.

Prices of Minerals are going to sky rocket.

Its good for business.

Ok, So you are Saying, You want Hulks buffered. But with no implication of How.
So through your thoughts of exactly How it should be adjusted. Not just saying it should. Then explain Why it should be adjusted in that fashion.

Through an example fit that, you think a hulk pilot should be able to fit. So it can be discussed in a civil manner, so the furom does not sound like some indy pilot crying causes they got ganked.

Constructive Detailed thoughts is what is need to get the Dev attention to think about putting something into the game.

We need a Bounty Button on the Forums
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