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Proclus Diadochu
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-04-28 04:45:47 UTC
Oxandrolone wrote:
wh's are not trial and error.

i have never jumped ships threw a wormhole to try and calculate its mass
i have never tested stats in a wormhole to work out how much benefit i get worm a c4 pulsar for example

you get my point?

i personally want to encourage everyone possible to come and live in wormholes because its so anoying going through 30 c5's a night and only finding a gas mining hurricane out of the pos shields, there either needs to be less wormholes or there needs to be more people in them.



My thoughts on this is that all aspects in EVE are trial and error to an extent.

Example: (This is dated a bit, bear with me)

You and your little highsec corp get jumpy hearing about the new wormhole mechanic and jump right in to the first empty one you find, last about a couple weeks living off of the scanning knowledge you have and the luck you have been blessed with thus far. Then one day you log on to a gang of Battleships incapping your mods and ransoming you for 100 mil. Then back to highsec you go for a few months before going to null, spending a year or so out there and then moving back into WH, becoming space rich, and by virtue of reading and learning the mechanics, a less trial and error filled experience. Later you go back to null, enjoy a stint in Delve and then after your little failscade alliance, you return to the anoikis for more fun, this time in a C6.

My early on WH experience was FULL of trial and error, and even today you will find yourselves trying new compositions and fleet tactics, this is not exclusive to wormholes, but I believe that trial and error is normal in wormholes. However, the knowledgebase out there can prevent plenty of errors I do agree.

Scrubs are free to ask questions in here, some will be trolled and some will get answers... Such is the way of EVE-O Forums.

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Bernie Nator
Allspark Industries
Transformographagizers
#22 - 2012-04-28 07:21:06 UTC
At least here we can give both good advice and advice.

Also, use a MWD in a pulsar against sleepers. Real men sig tank.
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#23 - 2012-04-28 07:27:46 UTC
ITT elitist wormholers
K1Vis
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-04-28 08:01:35 UTC
This forum was needed for the longest time. I answer so many WH questions. I feel like I host WH QA sessions. it will help to send people hear. ( I will still help those with questions).

Also in the the other sections I find a few threads in each i want to read. Here I seem to find most of the posts relevant.
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#25 - 2012-04-28 08:20:33 UTC
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

The secret lore opened for the masses!!!

Change of plans: I offer now tourist trips through C6 w-space systems and laser cannon training on soulless sleepers for women only. Seniors get a 10% discount.

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.

Lenore Leelu
Obsidian Dynamics
#26 - 2012-04-29 07:45:30 UTC
Roime wrote:
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Rastin Crysknife wrote:
And what, then, is compelling you to A) answer questions or B) participate at all on this forum, if you view them so negatively?


Because I can?

Forum is good but already bad enough you get idiots asking for drake fits in Ships And Modules :p


Asking for fitting advice in a forum meant for fitting advice is bad?

I do sort of agree that Drake pilots should be banned, but that's another topic.


tech2 rigged passive shield drake can surprise some people. ( On the other hand the rigs are worth more than the ship)
(There are no absolute right and wrong ways to partake in this game - have fun! Experiment! Don't use a cookie cutter fitting if you don't have to!)
Leontyne Gaterau
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-04-29 12:02:35 UTC
Liliana Rahl wrote:
ITT elitist wormholers


Redundant. Cool
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-04-30 00:16:39 UTC
The bad thing about this forum.......

...... is ur post, OP.
Ikeo58
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
#29 - 2012-05-28 14:49:50 UTC
WH advice is good - More people interested in WH's means more visitors Twisted
Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#30 - 2012-05-28 15:42:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Apolyon I
Nendail Smith wrote:
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Hm not sure I agree on the "more people in wh" thing.

I like WH's population currently, if I want to go and fight lots of people I just go out 1 of them several nullsecs we get everyday.

If WH's were more populated, t3's would be cheaper and that means c540, nanoribbons, radar loot, mag loot...it all becomes low value due to the mass flow of it into the economy.

I like it when there is no one around and you have to look for ganks rather than find them every chain.

Think about it, imagine having every static you open into be occupied....

You might get a tengu gank or 2, maybe even a collapsing carrier but bare in mind when your friends are not around and your hauling/jewin or anything else that is likely to ganked...it just becomes a massive risk every chain.


We need more t3 type ships. Would love to see a small sig large gun t3 setup, much like a teir 3 battlecruiser but with changable subs and built out of wh components.

we dont need more broken ships

EDIT: what OP really means is 1000 dudes come here and create 1000 threads with the same question: "what's a good drake fit for C3??"

ones like this keep popping up https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=111712&find=unread
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#31 - 2012-05-29 00:29:45 UTC
Ok, but whats a good fit for a drake in a c3????

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7

Senn Denroth
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#32 - 2012-05-29 01:24:02 UTC
Op is right, I've noticed that the WH forum is a bit lame because of all the noob questions about simple things like fittings etc.

I mean.. take a look down the first page, how to fit drakes, how to fit tengus, how to run c4 sites solo, etc etc. So many how to's instead of people just rubbing their own brain matter together and thinking about how they might come to a solution themselves.

I guess this could be a good thing though, more people getting in to WH space and more stuff for me to kill in a glorious fire!
Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research
#33 - 2012-05-29 15:56:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Qui Shon
Oxandrolone wrote:
wh's are not trial and error.

i have never jumped ships threw a wormhole to try and calculate its mass
i have never tested stats in a wormhole to work out how much benefit i get worm a c4 pulsar for example

you get my point?


Yes, I get it. You came late to the party and you have zero explorer spirit in you, zero pioneer spirit, and zero drive to be the first to do something.

I've done those things you list, and many more, and it was at least as rewarding as getting some of the first multibn kills in w-space (certainly not the first, far from it, dunno who had that honor), flying in some of the first T3-fleets, often using setups that are still used by others, or doing some of the first evictions, before they became common and then blasé. Or, as far as I'm aware, the first w-space kill using a Velator :)

Those were the good old days.

It's true wh's are not trial and error today because virtually all the trial and error was done years ago, then documented in the PD, so w-space had all the "unknown" taken out of it, despite it still being called "the unknown".

That's why w-space needs new mechanics, for which you would then need new tricks. And above all, it needs new dangers, new pitfalls, new things that can go wrong.

And it needs more anti-blob mechanics. The ones it has aren't working anymore.
Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-05-29 16:03:07 UTC
Qui Shon wrote:
Oxandrolone wrote:
wh's are not trial and error.

i have never jumped ships threw a wormhole to try and calculate its mass
i have never tested stats in a wormhole to work out how much benefit i get worm a c4 pulsar for example

you get my point?


Yes, I get it. You came late to the party and you have zero explorer spirit in you, zero pioneer spirit, and zero drive to be the first to do something.

I've done those things you list, and many more, and it was at least as rewarding as getting some of the first multibn kills in w-space (certainly notthe first, dunno who had that honor), flying in some of the first T3-fleets, often using setups that are still used by others, or doing some of the first evictions, before they became common and then blasé. Or, as far as I'm aware, the first w-space kill using a Velator :)

Those were the good old days.

It's true wh's are not trial and error today because virtually all the trial and error was done years ago, then documented in the PD, so w-space had all the "unknown taken out of it, despite it still being called "the unknown".

That's why w-space needs new mechanics, for which you would then need new tricks. And above all, it needs new dangers, new pitfalls, new things that can go wrong.

And it needs more anti-blob mechanics.

It is a shame you sound like such a pompous douchebag in the first part of that post, because you're bang on with the second bit.

They'll be changing spawn triggers in WH sites for added difficulty and are considering putting in a BOSS site for each class but that'll all get worked out real quick and is only the PvE side anyway.

I think wormholes need a lot more danger added.
Not a mechanism that makes it easier to t3 blob people but that makes doing anything more risky.
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Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research
#35 - 2012-05-29 16:23:49 UTC
Mr Bigwinky wrote:
Not a mechanism that makes it easier to t3 blob people but that makes doing anything more risky.



Yesss.

And I don't like you either Cool
Suzu Fujibayashi
Happy Dudes
#36 - 2012-05-30 10:53:23 UTC
[Drake, wh c1 c2]
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10MN Afterburner II
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Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
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MadbaM
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-05-30 11:49:04 UTC  |  Edited by: MadbaM
What it all comes down to really is you have two side of attitudes to WH corps.

The first side are people that have been hear for years and had to suffer with the lack of information and clarification on things that may or may not be working as intended. These people have learnt and evolved through the experience of living out here and it has sometimes taken the loss of a shine T3 to learn our lessons.

If you where to put a value on this knowledge would need to add together every stupid ship loss that could have been avoided. ( its allot ) And these people are reluctant to pass this info on for free and will disagree with this forum.

The second side are people are like EVE Uni that get there enjoyment from passing hard won information along to new people for next to no gain. They see it as a few have already said as populating an under utilized area of the game, and i don't think you can take to much issue with either attitude after all this is EVE and is why we all play.

But the most important thing to remember is that the people you see posting for advice without looking or thinking for themselves first don't last long in WH's if you show them the way or not. They get board and frustrated and end up in a null blob alliance, people that run training programs in corps see this day in day out and you can usually tell from the first day who has what it takes to live out here.

WH's are hard mode I don't care what people say about it being to safe, if you think its safe you have been lucky until that point and there are people desperate to prove you wrong.

But if your reading CCP we need a Strategic Frig hull please!
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#38 - 2012-05-30 15:35:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayeson
Liliana Rahl wrote:
ITT elitist wormholers


You rang?

Also Hi Madbam!
Bernie Nator
Allspark Industries
Transformographagizers
#39 - 2012-05-30 15:38:36 UTC
Ayeson wrote:
Liliana Rahl wrote:
ITT elitist wormholers


You rang?

Also Hi Madbam!

We're not elitist.

We're just better.
Fireflyb1
Walden 2.0
#40 - 2012-05-30 18:10:45 UTC
this is a stupid thread lol, no offense
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