EVE General Discussion

That bit about the ishtar sounds really, really fun. Like, even more fun than smartbombing clumps of Mackinaws. Care to share your Ishtar fit?

Fantastic post OP, its truth is attested by the immediate poorly-spelled whinging of NPC corp posters gnashing their teeth and dismissively engaging in hand-flapping on the very second page~

It is amusing that avoiding CONCORD is, to you, a clever tactic, while avoiding wardecs is, to you, an exploit.



So a miner who mines while semi-AFK should be paying more attention: but paying more attention means that they are a bot? I understand. That is the kind of rhetoric we see frequently from people wanting to rationalize their suicide ganking as a service to the people of New Eden.

You write as if the idea of wardeccing miners is novel and interesting. You appear to think the idea of warp scramming a target is new or interesting, or that smart bombing pods is new or interesting. You are just spilling more rhetoric in the same vein as every other "look at me! I am an individual!" bandwagon rider.

The true hisec gankers are people like Severe Pain and Non Serviam, who tirelessly clear the stupids from Mih constellation. They don't beat their chests and brag. They just do. They are -10, they solo kill hulks with catalysts, and they don't post 18 post self promotions about how EVE is going to the dogs.

I think I actually came a bit after reading OPs compendium.

ITT: Raging carebears replying to OP without actually reading the whole thing.

Carebears ITT

No, reacting instantly to someone's presence in local with 200 people in the system makes them a bot. It's just not possible. In an FPS if someone gets 60% headshots they're a good player. If someone gets 100% headshots they're an aimbot. It's pretty much the same thing. Nobody can react like that, nobody.

That's an awful lot of :words: about internet spaceships.

Sometimes I feel like I missed out on Eve. I played for a while a couple years ago, when nullsec mining was fully dead and PVP was largely organized around endless POS shooting. After the war I got bored and unsubbed, and hearing the mess over Incarna made me glad to be out.

I came back for the ice interdiction and crucible. The ice interdiction is the perfect example of what makes eve special - players organizing large scale market manipulation based on PvP. It's sad that's such a rare thing - I always imagined Eve would be the kind of game where industrialists hire mercenaries to blockade the competition, but instead it's infested with people who just want to build up a massive cache of ships without interacting with anyone. If you want fancy ships with no risk, go play on SiSi.

Whatever game that was that "James 315" played back in 2006, it must have been really special to inspire such passion. I hope I see that game again someday.

Spaceships was, is and will continue to be...SRS BIZNESS....

this man is both a gentleman and a scholar

Too bad what he says is just a fraction of the truth, the part that proves his points.


0.0 became crap because of all other factors.
Drone regions and their insane economy screwup.
Introduction of ships able to make the old 0.0 logistics convoys obsolete. When you kill logistic convoys you kill a lot of collateral content.
Insanely easy force-projection made it pointless to have to invest a ton into creating and staying in a certain place.
Original hi sec L4s drained ISK making out of 0.0.

Miners did not play any role in this, they were naturally driven out of 0.0 because it was just so much better to bot-gun mine with no risk.

It is amusing to see people who do everything they can to avoid losses complaining when they suffer losses. When you exploit a game mechanic to inflict losses in defiance of a game mechanic designed to control the level of loss you inflict, you should be expecting that exploit to get nerfed. While CCP is trying to maintain a PvP focussed game, the rules of the game also include making hisec "safer". Getting one freighter kill with a tornado is great. Getting in on half a dozen because you can evade CONCORD isn't quite what CCP intended.

The nerfs are happening because CCP has some idea about what level of loss is acceptable. Yes, hisec is only "safer" not "safe". There are mechanisms allowing gankers to ply their trade in hisec. If CCP wanted absolute safety, they would simply prevent the use of weapons against player targets in hisec, they haven't done that. So you have to think for yourself: why have they "nerfed" ganking so much? The answer is that the carebears who do the ganking are constantly finding new ways to minimize their losses. So CCP has to patch that hole.

As for wardecs and war evasion: CCP wants to find a mechanism which will prevent griefers from serial-wardeccing a corp. Any such mechanism will necessarily allow PvP-averse players to avoid wardecs, which is an acceptable contingency. As a serious PvPer, you know that you have the option to simply suicide gank the target.

Complaining about targets evading wardecs is basically saying, "I can't be arsed to suicide gank the target, because I am averse to losing the ships I necessarily must destroy to perform that attack." You are the carebear.

The new wardec system changes nothing. Griefers will still grief and continue to wage war against industrial corps, holing up in a station the moment any resistance is encountered. I don't know why CCP Greyscale is trying to fix it when it's necessarily broken.