EVE General Discussion

The truth here.

Those who dont read it are pathetic.

Those who disagree with the core concepts are probably idiots.

It was a really good novel.

One of those "can't put it down" reads. I highly recommend to anyone who wants to continue playing EVE. Those who wish to perform the ultimate gank by causing/allowing EVE to die might wish to skip instead to:
"Why Non-Consensual PvP is an Exploit: The Miners' Primer"

Why are you so obsessed with invulnerability, when there are many other approaches to bringing some balance? I'm sure you're smart enough to think of some on your own.

Low-yeild high tank exhumers will solve this problem.

Finally someone (new I might add! - wow! ) who gets it.

I'm re-posting a bit of my older post and clarifying it/re-writing it as it's buried back on page 8 and really is the crux of the problem at hand:
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So what is the solution? I've been mulling this over for years in the back of my head as I've see the cancer grow. Something is dreadfully wrong with EVE and yet it goes beyond miners and all of that.

It's the idea that you can get something for no risk. It used to not be like this. Back in 2006 or so, there were no player owned structures in 0.0. This meant that all 0.0 alliances had to maintain a presence in low sec to do major shopping and manufacturing and so on, as short of logging at a tower, there was no place to actually "live" in 0.0.(aside from a very very few NPC stations) It resulted in there being a 50/30/20 split in eve in H/L/0. Players interacted well and the game scaled well.

0 was like a giant version of WH space, just with local and no need to really scan that much.

Then CCP made the biggst mistake of its life - it allowed players to own 0.0 space and set up permanent homes (mostly as a gimmie to BoB players to allow themselves to have an easier time cementing their hold on 0.0 like the bastards that they were)

What has happened is that 0.0 pilots can live full-time in 0.0 nd high sec can live there now as well. The game has split into two factions. One which is mostly (but thankfully not all!) older players and one which is mostly new players who literally have no concept at all that EVE is supposed to operate like it does. t\Their ONLY other experience with MMOGs are games that are split between safe and PVP servers that are kept 1000000% separate at all times. So they demand this from CCP because there's no giant "this game is PVP at all times" on the box when they buy it. And CCP gives in to their demands most of the time.

NOTE - there should be quite literally a "This game is set up so that you can potentially be killed at any moment. Please keep this in mind when you play" as the first screen a new player sees. And they have to actually check OK to make it go away.

This problem affects high sec AND low sec. Both are entirely too passive and make isk too easily. In essence, all of the shiny objects in eve are easy to grasp and there's little risk. No need to go outside of either area. This causes the cancer - it's a stagnation where you have two equally dysfunctional communities side by side by never really interacting. Because you now have two entirely different player bases on the same game (and with Dust, a third!). What needs to happen is obvious. The best money and missions and rewards in eve need to be squarely in low sec where they force the two player bases to interact again like they once did. Do it not with penalties but with real incentives - and let the players work it out, sandbox-style.

There has to be risk for the rewards. It has to be at least a little bit dangerous to get rich. This would force high and 0.0 corps to fight over the resources in low and entice miners to low as it's just that ONE jump away... Pirates and bounty hunters would also get in on the action. Most of EVE would stay the same in high and low, and a good life could be had for either group of players. But the stagnation would be gone as you'd have to work and take risks to do more than idle through the month.

Venting your rage at high sec newbies who literally don't physically grasp the concept of high sec PVP and think it's griefing and not a basic mechanic of the game itself simply won't do anything at all. We need to get CCP to change the risk/reward structure of the game to make it so that doing anything more than eeking out a miserable existence anywhere requires you to take real risks.

And, it would also help to balance the economy a bit more. I really suggest that everyone here watches the video of the fanfest about the EVE economy. It makes all of this painfully clear, and the direction EVE is falling towards unless we get CCP to change things.

And for the record, gank-morons who are to lazy to get ISK pay for my accounts by selling PLEX.

I say keep those morons happy.

Give them more tools to Gank.

Ganky gank gank.

That doesn't stop the OP from being a Null Bear blatantly arguing for his Null Alliances. Yeah, yeah, Null Alliances need to be the only people who can make any ISK at all so we all have to buy RMT from them to play.

Yeah yeah no.

Summarily removing the entire CSM and permabanning them and then permabanning every officer in every Null Corp over 500 people would be GREAT for the game. And stop their real life people from resubscribing.

That would be awesome.

http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy ^^^^^^ - Just because you misinterpret the argument does not make it any less true.

It doesn't exist in equilibrium, as they always deviate into a higher yield, lower tank exhumer.

It depends on how they discount the possibility of losing the exhumer vs what it could make in that time. And seems they either underestimate the one, overestimate the other, OR

they're accurate enough. But whining always decreases the first, and it just needs forums posting, which you can do while mining. The question is why not whine for more protection?

True, it's easier to cry and throw a tantrum rather than learn to fit your very-tanky exhumer for survival.
But that doesn't change the fact that the very tanky exhumer already exists in the first place.

Rats do spawn in 0.5 to 0.8 highsec, they just don't do enough damage to cause a Hulk pilot any stress. Even if they did, the sad fact is that a bot could deal with rats better than a human could. And as OP pointed out, they're far far better at spotting war targets.

There's probably a good answer to AFK miners and bots, but its not dumb rats.

And its not captchas either, don't even think about it.