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HULKAGEDDON V (discuss)

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Chris Wheeler
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-04-30 14:23:54 UTC
I would be VERY interested to see how much the organizers of this are speculating on the minerals market. The prices were going up already due to speculation on the impact of drone and loot table changes, then the actual impact of those, and now hulkageddon discouraging miners from production AND more demand for replacement mining ships push the prices up even higher. Seems like the perfect storm, especially if you've stockpiled the crap out of mineral the past few months. Its basically like buying up all the oil supply and then starting a war in the middle east and mining the straight of Hormuz:)

Someone is making a lot of ISK out of this little conflict.
Naes Mlahrend
Devil's Horsemen
#22 - 2012-05-01 13:31:40 UTC
I wouldn't doubt it if it were the goons. Harvesting up the ore for so long and then hulkageddon to rise prices, rinse and repeat.
Hans Momaki
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-05-01 21:54:17 UTC
Samroski wrote:
What miners need to do is to gang up as well. Miners should have a concurrent event like Hulkocalypse, where they support each other.

Great time for mining corps, who can organize "safe" mining ops. Heh heh.


Are u serious? It is good for miners to stay away as far as possible from each other. Grouping up is pointless, because u can't defend a Hulk under fire. Even Supercap logi can't safe a hulk from dying, because max EHP on Hulk is somewhat like 40k, so there is no benefit at all through grouping up. On the other side, you would become more juciy blob of Hulks.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#24 - 2012-05-02 13:37:47 UTC
Enoch Schereau wrote:
Hulkageddon is a Joke. I mean, I can appreciate the concept and like when there are large-scale player-created events. But Hulkageddon is getting old.

There are really three problems with it. Two major, one minor.

First, the minor problem: It is old and not very original. It really needs some changing up to keep it interesting. But this is a minor issue.

The major issues are this:
1) Gankers abound and pretty much kill hulks all the time, everywhere. So you would be very hard pressed to find things to be all that differrent during Hulkageddon than before it started. So this really makes it feel like a non-event. Good miners are used to always being on the lookout for ganks. Now, this could be at least partly remedied except for the second major issue:

2) Hulkageddon is scheduled for too long a period. Four weeks is far too long. Now, there's no real sense of urgency for anyone participating. A participant can figure, "well, I have a whole month, so I'll just get around to ganking whenever it is convenient" - which spreads it out and dilutes it to the point that, even if there were increased activity over regular ganking (see issue 1 above), it will be diluted over 4 weeks so as to be drowned out by the bankground noise of regular ganking.

If the event were concentrated - over a single weekend, or say 4 days at most, then it would feed a sense of urgency and would really be noticable. Sort of like the burn Jita event - which is for a day or so at most - looking at the kill list, it is definitely noticeable.

As it stands, though, Hulkgeddon is a tired, old thing, spread out over too long a time, such that I doubt anyone will notice much difference from the 24/7 gankfest that is normal Eve mining.


So if I understand you correctly, You do not believe that the hype and especially prizes offer will give no incentive to the gankers to dtep it up for the month of hulkageddon?

You do realize that there are prizes offered that the gankers will be competing for. I agree that it is to long of a time period but anyone who actually wants a prize will need to be active the whole month if they really want to compete.

From the stats I have seen over the past few years the ganking of miners is usually 10x higher during HULKAGEDDON than any other month. There are many players that do not normally participate ganking but do come out for HULKAGEDDON. It is true that dedicated gankers go all year round but even they step it up during HULKAGEDDON.

Perhaps you are just trying to down play the event to convince more miners to drop their guard and become easier targets.
Nick Alan
Skorpion Mining Company
#25 - 2012-05-02 17:16:17 UTC
Samroski wrote:
What miners need to do is to gang up as well. Miners should have a concurrent event like Hulkocalypse, where they support each other.

Great time for mining corps, who can organize "safe" mining ops. Heh heh.



I like this idea... Carebears setting traps... the hunter becomes the hunted!

Sadly though I dont see it happing cause carebears dont PVP :(

BUTTTTT if someone can make it happen I would be happy to supply myself to the cause :)
Seranti Olerie
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-05-03 14:15:48 UTC
Nick Alan wrote:
Samroski wrote:
What miners need to do is to gang up as well. Miners should have a concurrent event like Hulkocalypse, where they support each other.

Great time for mining corps, who can organize "safe" mining ops. Heh heh.



I like this idea... Carebears setting traps... the hunter becomes the hunted!

Sadly though I dont see it happing cause carebears dont PVP :(

BUTTTTT if someone can make it happen I would be happy to supply myself to the cause :)


You would just make it more exciting for them. Give them higher prices rather than "fun"

Besides miners would rather pour over spreadsheets, for the most part, than PvP.

You could also mission run to gain 0% tax with the NPC Corp near the latest motherload of a system you found while scouting ;-)

Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#27 - 2012-05-03 19:56:09 UTC
I am surprised that CCP is allowing this happy horseshit to go on so long. A month of allowing gankbears to harrass other paying customers seems like bad business sense to me. Don't give me that crap either about eve being dangerous and go play hello kitty, we have all heard it before from you unimaginative sheeple. CCP needs to decide if it wants to be a strictly pvp game so that the rest of us can just leave it behind, which of course would end the game as our money keeps this thing going strong. I for one don't mine but have friends that do, and now they aren't logging on, so don't think you are getting any miner tears from me either you bunch of ***pirates. I just think you are all pathetic losers.
Enoch Schereau
Bird-in-Hand
#28 - 2012-05-04 02:06:04 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Enoch Schereau wrote:
Hulkageddon is a Joke. I mean, I can appreciate the concept and like when there are large-scale player-created events. But Hulkageddon is getting old.

There are really three problems with it. Two major, one minor.

First, the minor problem: It is old and not very original. It really needs some changing up to keep it interesting. But this is a minor issue.

The major issues are this:
1) Gankers abound and pretty much kill hulks all the time, everywhere. So you would be very hard pressed to find things to be all that differrent during Hulkageddon than before it started. So this really makes it feel like a non-event. Good miners are used to always being on the lookout for ganks. Now, this could be at least partly remedied except for the second major issue:

2) Hulkageddon is scheduled for too long a period. Four weeks is far too long. Now, there's no real sense of urgency for anyone participating. A participant can figure, "well, I have a whole month, so I'll just get around to ganking whenever it is convenient" - which spreads it out and dilutes it to the point that, even if there were increased activity over regular ganking (see issue 1 above), it will be diluted over 4 weeks so as to be drowned out by the bankground noise of regular ganking.

If the event were concentrated - over a single weekend, or say 4 days at most, then it would feed a sense of urgency and would really be noticable. Sort of like the burn Jita event - which is for a day or so at most - looking at the kill list, it is definitely noticeable.

As it stands, though, Hulkgeddon is a tired, old thing, spread out over too long a time, such that I doubt anyone will notice much difference from the 24/7 gankfest that is normal Eve mining.


So if I understand you correctly, You do not believe that the hype and especially prizes offer will give no incentive to the gankers to dtep it up for the month of hulkageddon?

You do realize that there are prizes offered that the gankers will be competing for. I agree that it is to long of a time period but anyone who actually wants a prize will need to be active the whole month if they really want to compete.

From the stats I have seen over the past few years the ganking of miners is usually 10x higher during HULKAGEDDON than any other month. There are many players that do not normally participate ganking but do come out for HULKAGEDDON. It is true that dedicated gankers go all year round but even they step it up during HULKAGEDDON.

Perhaps you are just trying to down play the event to convince more miners to drop their guard and become easier targets.


I meant what I said. I did not claim that ganking did not go up for Hulkageddon, I said that it would be lost in the background noise because it is pretty much a gankfest 24/7 on mining already.

Which, by the way, is not exactly a way to convince anyone to drop their guard. Gankfest 24/7 means you can never drop your guard, hulkageddon or not. But good dose of paranoia there.

That said, given the cost of mining vessels, I would hope they would get a little love from CCP. They obviously will never be gank proof, but they don't have to be paper thin, either.

More generally, I think ganking and concord should be adjusted, such that as soon as someone does something to attract concord, then any ship in the area (perhaps with a minimum level of security rating) can have open season on the attacker, so you might be able to blow it up before concord gets there if you have friends in the area. I'd also make that NOT count as aggression, so the ganker does not get to attack back concord free, period. (Not that it matters right then, since concord is coming anyway) but it will matter if they want to try to come back later. It makes sense and it would allow at least some attempt at a defense beyond just trying to add bulk to a hulk.

This will then make gankers have to tank up themselves, or trade off tank for firepower, same as everyone else.
Yellowbraids Crafterson
The Asteroid is Depleted
#29 - 2012-05-04 05:13:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Yellowbraids Crafterson
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
As if mineral prices are not high enough already, lets keep them climbing.

It really sux that the gank ships needed for HULKAGEDDON are so much more expensive right now.

Although I am a miner I truly believe HULKAGEDDON is actually good for the EVE economy as a whole. It gives the market a nice little boost every year which usually takes a few months to subside.

However this year with the timing coinciding with the big BOT purge, and the Drone alloys nerf, we may be in for quite the roller coaster ride yet before the prices get any where near stable.

Just a note for all the avid PVPers out there. Miners will now be the primary source of minerals in EVE, no more gun mining or drone alloys to drive prices down. The more unsafe miners feel the higher the prices will get. Just keep that in mind when you are paying over a bil for a ship you could buy for a few hundred mil a few months ago.

Gankers have been harvesting tiers from miners for a long time now. But it is now time for the miners to harvest the teirs of those same gankers crying about the price of their ships.

Let the games begin...


It is time to invoke Rule of Acquisition #41 - The gankers want to get the prizes from the goons, traders in the market might as well bleed them dry.

Mind you, tears are not a factor. Profit is the only reason traders need for doing it.
Rakan Khagir
Mining Drone Industries
#30 - 2012-05-04 17:37:41 UTC
This hulkageddon is very nice for the little children who doesn`t have any job and live at home with mom and daddy and have enough time to play. But the player who has job and family and he/she try to chill a bit its NOT a funny game Blink
And plz tell me where is the fair ratio if u lose an exhumer witch cost is 350M+ and who killed me they lost a 2-3M cost destroyers. And its happening in high sec system. Smile
My problem is 350 > 2-3
So we want better tank or better defending. if i lose 350M the attackers also should lose NEARLY the same cost. So not the same and not higher but not just 2-3-50M. The point is the HIGH SECURITY SYSTEM! Yeah its "very high" when 2 destroyer kill u Ugh

If everything will be the same this hulkakeddon is just an emogeddon with emoswarm and emoholy union.

Led Floyd
United Pod Pilots Federation
#31 - 2012-05-04 18:56:14 UTC
Jack Corigan wrote:
Enoch Schereau wrote:

If the event were concentrated - over a single weekend, or say 4 days at most


I agreed with you for that part. 1 Month is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar too long. The 100m per 10 kills is just -.- . It stopped being any fun for miners and just becomes unsub time, i know my 3 accounts wont be active for the duration of this. My corp has been the attack of a lot of ganks since hulkageddon was announced and we simply cant be bothered with even more. Its all great for the null sec alliances who have the capability to throw out the thousands of ships to replace the ones lost during this, but for small time corps its just bullying.

Suicide ganking as a mechanic really has to be reassessed by CCP, its used far too much by too many people.



Agreed,1 month is too long.My 2 hulk pilots timed out yesterday and my orca pilot here has about 11 days.So,thats your 3 accounts and soon to be all 3 of mine,theres gotta be countless others quitting subs for the next month or maybe even longer just so some yahoos can go give the peaceful miner grief..makes alot of sense doesn't it?Anyway,I deal with it every year as do all of you I know its coming so I deal with it.I just wanted to say something about it this year,lol...

Fly safe,
Led Floyd
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#32 - 2012-05-05 06:27:21 UTC
Led Floyd wrote:
Jack Corigan wrote:
Enoch Schereau wrote:

If the event were concentrated - over a single weekend, or say 4 days at most


I agreed with you for that part. 1 Month is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar too long. The 100m per 10 kills is just -.- . It stopped being any fun for miners and just becomes unsub time, i know my 3 accounts wont be active for the duration of this. My corp has been the attack of a lot of ganks since hulkageddon was announced and we simply cant be bothered with even more. Its all great for the null sec alliances who have the capability to throw out the thousands of ships to replace the ones lost during this, but for small time corps its just bullying.

Suicide ganking as a mechanic really has to be reassessed by CCP, its used far too much by too many people.



Agreed,1 month is too long.My 2 hulk pilots timed out yesterday and my orca pilot here has about 11 days.So,thats your 3 accounts and soon to be all 3 of mine,theres gotta be countless others quitting subs for the next month or maybe even longer just so some yahoos can go give the peaceful miner grief..makes alot of sense doesn't it?Anyway,I deal with it every year as do all of you I know its coming so I deal with it.I just wanted to say something about it this year,lol...

Fly safe,
Led Floyd


Add my husbands 3 accounts to the unsub list. He is mostly an industrialist miner and decided its too much a headache to deal with so reinstalled everquest on his computer. I will continue to run lvl 4s with my accounts for the duration but if my husband does't return, I will leave as well. Guild Wars 2 beta was fun and the game will be out soon enough. When the gankers have no one left to gank, they will quit too as they are too big of cowards for real pvp.
Draydin Warsong
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#33 - 2012-05-05 09:22:19 UTC
Chris Wheeler wrote:
I would be VERY interested to see how much the organizers of this are speculating on the minerals market. The prices were going up already due to speculation on the impact of drone and loot table changes, then the actual impact of those, and now hulkageddon discouraging miners from production AND more demand for replacement mining ships push the prices up even higher. Seems like the perfect storm, especially if you've stockpiled the crap out of mineral the past few months. Its basically like buying up all the oil supply and then starting a war in the middle east and mining the straight of Hormuz:)

Someone is making a lot of ISK out of this little conflict.


Of course someone is making a lot of money out of this...and that someone is a group that starts with "G" and ends with "oons". Hehe they say jump and all the wannabe leeters run off the cliff like lemmings. Meanwhile their overseers are making what probably amounts to trillions laughing all the way to the bank. Not that I mind, there is something slightly erotic about watching someone smash their face into a wall until its bloody because "the man" promised the possibility that they maybe might get a reward. As for the the "G" people aka "the man", I think this article sums it up pretty good:

http://jestertrek.blogspot.it/2012/04/week-in-life-bottleneck.html
Yellowbraids Crafterson
The Asteroid is Depleted
#34 - 2012-05-05 15:53:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Yellowbraids Crafterson
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Led Floyd wrote:
Jack Corigan wrote:
Enoch Schereau wrote:

If the event were concentrated - over a single weekend, or say 4 days at most


I agreed with you for that part. 1 Month is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar too long. The 100m per 10 kills is just -.- . It stopped being any fun for miners and just becomes unsub time, i know my 3 accounts wont be active for the duration of this. My corp has been the attack of a lot of ganks since hulkageddon was announced and we simply cant be bothered with even more. Its all great for the null sec alliances who have the capability to throw out the thousands of ships to replace the ones lost during this, but for small time corps its just bullying.

Suicide ganking as a mechanic really has to be reassessed by CCP, its used far too much by too many people.



Agreed,1 month is too long.My 2 hulk pilots timed out yesterday and my orca pilot here has about 11 days.So,thats your 3 accounts and soon to be all 3 of mine,theres gotta be countless others quitting subs for the next month or maybe even longer just so some yahoos can go give the peaceful miner grief..makes alot of sense doesn't it?Anyway,I deal with it every year as do all of you I know its coming so I deal with it.I just wanted to say something about it this year,lol...

Fly safe,
Led Floyd


Add my husbands 3 accounts to the unsub list. He is mostly an industrialist miner and decided its too much a headache to deal with so reinstalled everquest on his computer. I will continue to run lvl 4s with my accounts for the duration but if my husband does't return, I will leave as well. Guild Wars 2 beta was fun and the game will be out soon enough. When the gankers have no one left to gank, they will quit too as they are too big of cowards for real pvp.


Indeed, GW2 is a huge lure for Yellowbraids. Alas, the monk class is gone.

Though, I think it is a fair point to say that CCP has to provide the miners/traders with better protections in high sec if they want to keep subs. Though, I understand that the devs like this kind of thing, player driven events, in moderate amounts. The constant lack of any moderation seems to be a problem from my point of view as a player just getting into the game.

Basically, CCP has to realize that the fine line between "cool" and "wtf" is well past crossed when it comes to the Goons and gankers in general for many of the new miners. The devs sitting back and telling the miners to suck it up is not the way to keep new players.
xNonox
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-05-05 18:59:23 UTC  |  Edited by: xNonox
Sirppalla. Location Sirppalla 3 - Asteroid Belt 2

Name Rei Motsu. Flying a hulk.

This guy bots in this system every day. for months now. and it pisses me off. he's there right now. might move to a different belt. but yeah. come get him.

to be on topic. this event is awesome :)
Led Floyd
United Pod Pilots Federation
#36 - 2012-05-06 10:57:49 UTC
Yellowbraids Crafterson wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Led Floyd wrote:
Jack Corigan wrote:
Enoch Schereau wrote:

If the event were concentrated - over a single weekend, or say 4 days at most


I agreed with you for that part. 1 Month is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar too long. The 100m per 10 kills is just -.- . It stopped being any fun for miners and just becomes unsub time, i know my 3 accounts wont be active for the duration of this. My corp has been the attack of a lot of ganks since hulkageddon was announced and we simply cant be bothered with even more. Its all great for the null sec alliances who have the capability to throw out the thousands of ships to replace the ones lost during this, but for small time corps its just bullying.

Suicide ganking as a mechanic really has to be reassessed by CCP, its used far too much by too many people.



Agreed,1 month is too long.My 2 hulk pilots timed out yesterday and my orca pilot here has about 11 days.So,thats your 3 accounts and soon to be all 3 of mine,theres gotta be countless others quitting subs for the next month or maybe even longer just so some yahoos can go give the peaceful miner grief..makes alot of sense doesn't it?Anyway,I deal with it every year as do all of you I know its coming so I deal with it.I just wanted to say something about it this year,lol...

Fly safe,
Led Floyd


Add my husbands 3 accounts to the unsub list. He is mostly an industrialist miner and decided its too much a headache to deal with so reinstalled everquest on his computer. I will continue to run lvl 4s with my accounts for the duration but if my husband does't return, I will leave as well. Guild Wars 2 beta was fun and the game will be out soon enough. When the gankers have no one left to gank, they will quit too as they are too big of cowards for real pvp.


Indeed, GW2 is a huge lure for Yellowbraids. Alas, the monk class is gone.

Though, I think it is a fair point to say that CCP has to provide the miners/traders with better protections in high sec if they want to keep subs. Though, I understand that the devs like this kind of thing, player driven events, in moderate amounts. The constant lack of any moderation seems to be a problem from my point of view as a player just getting into the game.

Basically, CCP has to realize that the fine line between "cool" and "wtf" is well past crossed when it comes to the Goons and gankers in general for many of the new miners. The devs sitting back and telling the miners to suck it up is not the way to keep new players.

I forgot to mention Diablo 3 in 9 days :)
Akiva Katelo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-05-06 12:40:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Akiva Katelo
Had no idea this event had kicked off until a buddy asked if I was still mining in my hulk. So do what you do and take advantage of all the bot miners not being logged in 23/7, taking the best ore.

Profits are up and business is good.

Good Hunting
Easthir Ravin
Easy Co.
#38 - 2012-05-10 13:06:36 UTC
Rakan Khagir wrote:
This hulkageddon is very nice for the little children who doesn`t have any job and live at home with mom and daddy and have enough time to play. But the player who has job and family and he/she try to chill a bit its NOT a funny game Blink
And plz tell me where is the fair ratio if u lose an exhumer witch cost is 350M+ and who killed me they lost a 2-3M cost destroyers. And its happening in high sec system. Smile
My problem is 350 > 2-3
So we want better tank or better defending. if i lose 350M the attackers also should lose NEARLY the same cost. So not the same and not higher but not just 2-3-50M. The point is the HIGH SECURITY SYSTEM! Yeah its "very high" when 2 destroyer kill u Ugh

If everything will be the same this hulkakeddon is just an emogeddon with emoswarm and emoholy union.




Said like a true socialist: everything fair, everything nice, no consequences. Is the fair ratio a new metric for the measure of eve fun-ness?

Keep the tears flowing.
vr
East

IN THE IMORTAL WORDS OF SOCRATES:  " I drank WHAT?!"

Slayeroffools Eto
Der Schatten
#39 - 2012-05-10 15:35:10 UTC
as a new player I have mixed feelings about the event.

on the negative side:
I was quite happy to mine, level my Industry skills and make some money, now the mining is too risky for me.
a whole month is a long time, the impact has not been as much as I expected and was warned about by more seasoned pilots.

on the positive side:
Prior to Hulkageddon, my only combat experience was the tutorial and fending off rats, with my miner in storage for a month I started to pick up some better combat skills and have been enjoying that side of the game that I never would have had I stayed mining.


overall I would say Hulkageddon has been good for my personal development in EVE but im still new and everything is stil shiny so I am sure there are some vets that are really hating having their gameplay interupted. I am also looking forward to liquidating my stockpile of ore when the price spikes out towards the end of the month :)

-Slayer
Mordecai Braeden
Namu's Legion
#40 - 2012-05-10 23:17:42 UTC
Hi,

I'm new to this game. As I play for about a month now. My goal in Eve was/is to become a good miner and earn some money. I guess I started in the wrong period of time. Lost a retriever and a Hauling ship so far. But because I'm new I'd like to ask what this is all about and the goal behind Hulkageddon.

I think, to al fairness, there has to be some kinda rulebook for this event. As I can see on the Hulkageddon website they show what ships to shoot and stuff like that. Yet I got ganked by an Anathema while mining in a Retriever. Days earlier I was hauling some stuff and got shot as well. Ganker replied only with: Hulkageddon!!

I know in the long run, a week or 2, the miners will be the ones laughing the last. Especially the ones that docked their barges/exhumers. Because we, the miners, control the prices on the minerals and our wallets will grow fat on the false efforts of Hulkageddon.

In the month I play I've already seen the price go up 3 isk/m³ (And Counting)

But for some of the miners out there I ask the ganking guys to have some fairplay.
Be mindfull of new players, like myself. For we have no Idea what's going on and why.
Our ships are weak and provide the materials for your overpowered "ganking" ships.

Keep it to the hulks and stronger players but give the smaller guys a chance to get the hulk you want to destroy.
If I lose one more Retriever I have to do missions in my bantam again...

Anyway Fly Safe o/
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