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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#121 - 2012-04-27 16:13:59 UTC
Did any one else read the title and think this was about the ship and a good pilot in null sec?

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2012-04-27 16:15:30 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Did any one else read the title and think this was about the ship and a good pilot in null sec?


I was going to say...

We don't use Zealots, they suck, especially now that CCP ruined Incursions. We're using Thrashers and Tornados.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#123 - 2012-04-27 16:26:00 UTC
Zora'e wrote:
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
... join/found a 0.0 corp and enjoy the higher profits that go along with the increased effort involved for you and your corp mates.



That's kind of the point.

But if you want lower effort just join an existing corp. Or, stay in High Sec and accept lower profits. I honestly can't see what part of this could be confusing or considered broken.


Frankly, I don't do well around large groups of people, neither in game or real life. I don't like most people I meet because I have a very low tolerance for idiocy, stupidity and childishly moronic commentary. Might be because I'm 47 and actually grew up (a little anyway).

So.. I tend to go off and do my own thing rather than interact with a bunch of people I wouldn't give the time of day in real life, let alone a game because of their thinking and behavior. Due to that, I'm pretty limited to where I play. It's either WH's which are insane and sometimes fun, or do roams in low/null which is insanely boring, or siting in high sec station spinning which is even MORE boring (but pretty much all I do anymore).

On average I make about 30 million isk a week. Not because I can't earn more, because I could if I got off my hiney and went looking for things to do, but because frankly, there is very little in this game I find enjoyable anymore. Done the blobs. Done the medium and small gang warfare. Bashed a Pos or two. None of it really was all that exiting.

So I station spin. Run a mission or two a week at best. Chat with the 3-4 people I am actually friends with in game and station spin some more.

Find me something interesting, exciting and challenging out in Null and I'd move there. There isn't.

Fact is. There isn't crap in this game that IS fun or exciting. Makes me wonder why I bother keeping a sub running.



Depressing (yea, why DO you keep subbing?), but ultimately if you can't find something fun to do in a sandbox, it's not the SAND's fault.

Lots of people are like you, basically saying "I like to solo and I don't like people". That's fine....until those same people start thinking that the game should cater to them more than the people who play the game as it is designed, as an MMO with a hugh social and pvp focus. Many high sec dwellers are the definition of spolied, entitlement players, when in fact they should be playing something designed with them in mind, like a theme park MMO or a single player video game with no online component.

So no, the game and it's developers should not be bending over backwards to give you something "fun" to do when it's obvious that you don't like the basic nature of the game you are playing to begin with, YOU should either find new ways to have fun, or stop givng CCP your money
Grim Savage
suspended animations DOT
#124 - 2012-04-27 16:33:52 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
I am speaking to the null sec zealots in-game plus the faction within the CCP dev/content community.
Well, you got what you wanted. Another massive transfer of wealth from high sec income to null sec.

Best guess after the devastation of the VG's, is we are looking at Incursion ISK injected in the game go from 9 Trillion/month to about 3-4 Trillion, once people have fully figured them out. An immense nerf.

Meantime, the bounties on all Drone missions equals new ISK from the Drone Regions.
High sec missions drone bounties will be less far far than the reduction in high sec Incursion Payouts, while the Drone Regions are a substantial new ISK flow.

Let's see what the May numbers look like when CCP does it's tweeets at end of May.
Let's see how close I am in my estimates.

I am banking on 3.5 trillion ISK injection from Incursions, and about 28-30 trillion from rest of the game.
Total reduction of ISK/month will be in the 1-2 trillion range tops, with a much larger percentage being generated from null.

You just keep pounding away through the CSM and with direct conversations with Soundwave and his cadre.
Pretty soon you will get what you want, high sec space devoid of any income potential.

Datacore farming is being devastated in May.
What is the odds of hearing rumblings by June of removing T2 mfg/invention from high sec?

You null sec nutbars really can't see the forest for the trees. You will wipe out the subscription base. But you just don't care about that. You would be quite happy to see half of the current subscription base in the game, with no high sec at all.



Actually, you will be moving more wealth from NULL to Empire since all minerals will be mined in empire now.
Most of the NULL sec income goes to pay for PVP fleets, stations & upgrades, POS's with infrastructure and Capital ships. (Mods will be made in empire)

besides, without NULL sec and suicide bombers, there would be no market in empire to speak of, no market for T2 mods, T2 ships, no need for new faction items as none was destroyed, no need for HULKs as everyone had two.

Kind of like when the CNR's were 200 mill since the hauling-bots made metric ****-tons of LP.
Jark Vohaul
Goosefleet
Gooseflock Featheration
#125 - 2012-04-27 16:33:54 UTC
It's fairly obvious that you are the type of person who has never heard or read anything that MY CEO has ever said about EVE or his attitudes toward those who claim that he/we are trying to destroy the game.
Zora'e
#126 - 2012-04-27 16:38:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Zora'e
Jenn aSide wrote:
Zora'e wrote:
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
... join/found a 0.0 corp and enjoy the higher profits that go along with the increased effort involved for you and your corp mates.



That's kind of the point.

But if you want lower effort just join an existing corp. Or, stay in High Sec and accept lower profits. I honestly can't see what part of this could be confusing or considered broken.


Frankly, I don't do well around large groups of people, neither in game or real life. I don't like most people I meet because I have a very low tolerance for idiocy, stupidity and childishly moronic commentary. Might be because I'm 47 and actually grew up (a little anyway).

So.. I tend to go off and do my own thing rather than interact with a bunch of people I wouldn't give the time of day in real life, let alone a game because of their thinking and behavior. Due to that, I'm pretty limited to where I play. It's either WH's which are insane and sometimes fun, or do roams in low/null which is insanely boring, or siting in high sec station spinning which is even MORE boring (but pretty much all I do anymore).

On average I make about 30 million isk a week. Not because I can't earn more, because I could if I got off my hiney and went looking for things to do, but because frankly, there is very little in this game I find enjoyable anymore. Done the blobs. Done the medium and small gang warfare. Bashed a Pos or two. None of it really was all that exiting.

So I station spin. Run a mission or two a week at best. Chat with the 3-4 people I am actually friends with in game and station spin some more.

Find me something interesting, exciting and challenging out in Null and I'd move there. There isn't.

Fact is. There isn't crap in this game that IS fun or exciting. Makes me wonder why I bother keeping a sub running.



Depressing (yea, why DO you keep subbing?), but ultimately if you can't find something fun to do in a sandbox, it's not the SAND's fault.

Lots of people are like you, basically saying "I like to solo and I don't like people". That's fine....until those same people start thinking that the game should cater to them more than the people who play the game as it is designed, as an MMO with a hugh social and pvp focus. Many high sec dwellers are the definition of spolied, entitlement players, when in fact they should be playing something designed with them in mind, like a theme park MMO or a single player video game with no online component.

So no, the game and it's developers should not be bending over backwards to give you something "fun" to do when it's obvious that you don't like the basic nature of the game you are playing to begin with, YOU should either find new ways to have fun, or stop givng CCP your money


I never said they should change to suit me actually. I just stated that for myself, I'm seriously not finding much that really flicks my bick anymore.

Hell, the LAST thing I want CCP to do is cater to me. It WOULD fry the game because i'd eliminate fleets, eliminate anything larger than a BC, remove T2 and T3's, wipe out moon mining completely, get rid of all 'faction and ded/officer' modules (so only regular and T2 modules would exist and change the manufacturing requirements for t2 modules) turn all of EVE into 0.0 w/o local, remove stations and make POSes the only bases possible. Remove SOV mechanics and get rid of the drone regions and replace them with some other npc. THAT would be catering to me.

As for the social bit, yeah I get that. But as I said, i'm not real good around people. Part of it is nothing I can do anything about, and the other part is I just generally don't get people very well when they are in social surroundings. It's like their entire personality changes when they are around groups. I'm not like that. I'm pretty much the same me, whether I am around 1 person or 100 people so it baffles me when people get around other people and their personalities change so drastically.

As to your last sentence. I've been trying to think of something. I'd hate to give up so many years of effort. But so far. Nothing. Might just be a slump who knows LOL.

I won't say you are stupid, but you're not exactly on the Zombie menu either.