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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#21 - 2012-04-26 16:35:09 UTC
Danfen Fenix wrote:
Meh, why would you need to use the goon channels in null? You realise there are far more many alliances/corps available than them right? I've never, nor intend to, fly with goons myself. I can't stand them either (no offense goonies P ). Many of the alliances in null are in fact civilized, and you can get along quite nicely there.

The politics comment...ah I'll give you that Smile

So again, what is wrong with people, who take more risk in living in 0.0, having to put up with all the politics & possibility of having to move all of their assets, having the oppertunities to make a little more isk than high-sec dwellers? Especially when the amount of income available in high-sec is still plenty for the average player.

Yeah, some people were gonig to evict us from our homes by febuary. Turns out risk goes both ways and they lost their home instead.

I hear NC. is recruiting people and are very good players at EVE.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Danfen Fenix
#22 - 2012-04-26 16:35:09 UTC
Wai Ish'inre wrote:
Danfen Fenix wrote:
I have no wish to deal with the political baggage that comes with living in null.
And the goon voice channels, even under fleet ops, sound like like a saturday night frat party at midnight.
No thanks.


Your loss?

Danfen Fenix wrote:
I prefer a more civilized game, not playing with socially impaired people.


Judging the people you don't know, isn't that the path to being socially impaired?


Danfen Fenix wrote:
Meh, why would you need to use the goon channels in null? You realise there are far more many alliances/corps available than them right? I've never, nor intend to, fly with goons myself. I can't stand them either (no offense goonies P ). Many of the alliances in null are in fact civilized, and you can get along quite nicely there.


TEST is recruiting!

Danfen Fenix wrote:
So again, what is wrong with people, who take more risk in living in 0.0, having to put up with all the politics & possibility of having to move all of their assets, having the oppertunities to make a little more isk than high-sec dwellers? Especially when the amount of income available in high-sec is still plenty for the average player.


We are also pretty helpful to new players as well. Hell some new guy got a tackle this morning and raked in over 850m, just for flying a free Rifter and pointing something that tried to run away.


Eh....why you quoted that as me ? What?P
Name Family Name
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-04-26 16:49:08 UTC
All my characters currently are in highsec and I think the changes don't go far enough.

I'd like to have a reason to go to null, but with unlimited monetary supply and very competitive isk/h in high, I just can't find any.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#24 - 2012-04-26 16:53:39 UTC
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
Ow you hit my in my low risk profit.




As opposed to Goon's no risk profit? Oops


Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Tinnin Sylph
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-04-26 17:00:01 UTC
As previously pointed out, we have relatively safe space in which to get filthy rich in 0.0 because we fought to own it and continue to fight to keep it secure. I'm fairly sure you don't realise the amount of effort and logistics that go into making such a thing possible because you've never ventured out of the comfort of high sec.

Heh.

Heh.
Danfen Fenix
#26 - 2012-04-26 17:05:41 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
Ow you hit my in my low risk profit.




As opposed to Goon's no risk profit? Oops




Consider how much ISK worth of ships they lose while fighting to make sure that it is no risk... P
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-04-26 17:08:41 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Another massive transfer of wealth from high sec income to null sec.

I am banking on 3.5 trillion ISK injection from Incursions, and about 28-30 trillion from rest of the game.

well. let's say we have:
- incursion runners - 1000-1500 chars
- nullsec bears - 30000-40000 chars

I don't think those numbers are too different from real data.

Then your numbers look the more the less good for the game.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Son IamaDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-04-26 17:10:31 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
I am speaking to the null sec zealots in-game plus the faction within the CCP dev/content community.
Well, you got what you wanted. Another massive transfer of wealth from high sec income to null sec.

Best guess after the devastation of the VG's, is we are looking at Incursion ISK injected in the game go from 9 Trillion/month to about 3-4 Trillion, once people have fully figured them out. An immense nerf.

Meantime, the bounties on all Drone missions equals new ISK from the Drone Regions.
High sec missions drone bounties will be less far far than the reduction in high sec Incursion Payouts, while the Drone Regions are a substantial new ISK flow.

Let's see what the May numbers look like when CCP does it's tweeets at end of May.
Let's see how close I am in my estimates.

I am banking on 3.5 trillion ISK injection from Incursions, and about 28-30 trillion from rest of the game.
Total reduction of ISK/month will be in the 1-2 trillion range tops, with a much larger percentage being generated from null.

You just keep pounding away through the CSM and with direct conversations with Soundwave and his cadre.
Pretty soon you will get what you want, high sec space devoid of any income potential.

Datacore farming is being devastated in May.
What is the odds of hearing rumblings by June of removing T2 mfg/invention from high sec?

You null sec nutbars really can't see the forest for the trees. You will wipe out the subscription base. But you just don't care about that. You would be quite happy to see half of the current subscription base in the game, with no high sec at all.
You must be new here.
Emperor Ryan
The Illuminatii
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#29 - 2012-04-26 17:11:23 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
it's almost like CCP believes that higher risk should be rewarded


Typical reaction from the sociopath alliance propaganda squad.
I have lived din null sec.
I have lived in wh's.

You have less chance of being ganked in a plex/Sanctum/Haven in the space controlled by the goon and test alliances than you do mining in a 0.5 belt.



Thats because in null sec we have 'Intel channels' and in High sec anyone could gank you. Of course if you watched Dscan, like 0.0 players do, you'd notice gank catlysts/thrasers before they get on you.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-04-26 17:15:44 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:

You null sec nutbars really can't see the forest for the trees. You will wipe out the subscription base

Every expansion that has expanded warfare and combat mechanics and ships has responded in an upswing in new subs (Dominion, Apocrypha, Crucible, etc). Every expansion centered around risk-free hisec isk and commodity faucets (Tyrannis, Incursion, etc) has resulted in a significant drop in EVE's player growth.

The most steadfast and loyal EVE players have stuck around because they play to be challenged and overcome genuine, emergent obstacles to their goals - not to tour a theme park with blinking wallets. HTH
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-04-26 17:17:03 UTC
I can't help but feel a little sympathy here. This is ultimately CCP's fault for doing **** without thinking for about two years solid, now they have to go back through and make all these hard rebalances at once before things get even worse. Inevitably in these situations you're going to get huge swathes of people who get dunked on simply for responding to the incentives CCP created. Overall these are all good changes that need to happen and need to happen now, but I do sympathize a little with the people who get steamrolled in the process.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-04-26 17:25:12 UTC
So... free isk and outrageous market inflation is a good thing?

Huh. Learn something new everyday.

Myself, I hope they nerf L4 Missions a bit next update, they're a bit out of line too. What's this about Datacore Mining being nerfed?
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#33 - 2012-04-26 17:25:49 UTC
Excellent changes made by CCP. Keep up the good work.
Mark Androcius
#34 - 2012-04-26 17:26:30 UTC
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
As previously pointed out, we have relatively safe space in which to get filthy rich in 0.0 because we fought to own it and continue to fight to keep it secure. I'm fairly sure you don't realise the amount of effort and logistics that go into making such a thing possible because you've never ventured out of the comfort of high sec.

Heh.


I'm gonna give you that point here, I'm sorry community, but i must.

However, the reason a lot of people don't leave the comfort of high sec, is because they don't want to be part of any of the established alliances or corporations and without that, you can't really do anything in null.

The idea of a sandbox, is that you can do your own thing, not to say: well here's 3 large alliances, go join the one you hate the least and have fun.

So once again, credit for what you said there, but try to keep what i just said in mind, cause it's most likely not that far from the truth.

https://androcius.wordpress.com
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-04-26 17:30:51 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
Ow you hit my in my low risk profit.




As opposed to Goon's no risk profit? Oops




I am confused. What is this no risk profit that you are speaking of? Because I apparently have seriously screwed up my profit making potential if I could be doing something with no risk at all.

I rat in Nullsec, doing Anoms. Forsaken Hubs mostly; Sanctums are good too but as I'm a drone user (Ishtar) I prefer the Forsaken Hub's closer layout. I have to watch local 23x7 while ratting in order to ensure no random ganker shows up; if so I'm pretty much dead, as a ratting ship is not set up for PVP.

The only other source of "no risk profit" that I hear people complaining about is moon goo, which is ********. It's just alliance level mining. Yes, there's an imbalance with tech, yes, they're fixing it, yes, Mittani pushed for them to fix it as one of the CSM. ("Sum1 am do thing that make less iskies!? That umpossible!")

So I remain confused: What no risk profit exactly are you speaking about?
Mark Androcius
#36 - 2012-04-26 17:31:02 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Vince Snetterton wrote:

You null sec nutbars really can't see the forest for the trees. You will wipe out the subscription base

Every expansion that has expanded warfare and combat mechanics and ships has responded in an upswing in new subs (Dominion, Apocrypha, Crucible, etc). Every expansion centered around risk-free hisec isk and commodity faucets (Tyrannis, Incursion, etc) has resulted in a significant drop in EVE's player growth.

The most steadfast and loyal EVE players have stuck around because they play to be challenged and overcome genuine, emergent obstacles to their goals - not to tour a theme park with blinking wallets. HTH


+10

Although i must say that, it would kinda suck very hard, seeing as I spent countless hours farming standing and training my science skills, so i could get the best deals on datacores.
If they turn out to be worth nothing in a couple of months, i would kinda feel screwed.

https://androcius.wordpress.com
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-04-26 17:34:57 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
As previously pointed out, we have relatively safe space in which to get filthy rich in 0.0 because we fought to own it and continue to fight to keep it secure. I'm fairly sure you don't realise the amount of effort and logistics that go into making such a thing possible because you've never ventured out of the comfort of high sec.

Heh.


I'm gonna give you that point here, I'm sorry community, but i must.

However, the reason a lot of people don't leave the comfort of high sec, is because they don't want to be part of any of the established alliances or corporations and without that, you can't really do anything in null.

The idea of a sandbox, is that you can do your own thing, not to say: well here's 3 large alliances, go join the one you hate the least and have fun.

So once again, credit for what you said there, but try to keep what i just said in mind, cause it's most likely not that far from the truth.


So petition CCP to add another region or 6 to nullsec. Ta-da, problem solved.

Could do some fun things with that too -- maybe an entire region of nullsec that can only be accessed by Wormholes. Add tech moons to some of the new regions, ta-da, tech moons aren't controlled 100% by the current cartel. Maybe throw in some new factions, like a new pirate faction or even say, splinters of the Empire factions (a sector of nullsec filled with Amarr Missionaries, or Gallente Isolationists, or what have you).
Shea Valerien
House of Valerien
#38 - 2012-04-26 17:35:37 UTC
OP says this like it's a bad thing. There was wayyyy too much money and ISK coming into the game. I'm a hi-sec player right now, being pretty new to the game. I will eventually move to WH space or null-sec, probably in a month or two once I have enough ISK saved up to afford plenty of ships to get destroyed. But I don't like how quickly incursions were flooding ISK into the market. I guess I'm more old school, but I would prefer a game where everybody isn't flying around in shinies and titans.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-04-26 17:38:41 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Vince Snetterton wrote:

You null sec nutbars really can't see the forest for the trees. You will wipe out the subscription base

Every expansion that has expanded warfare and combat mechanics and ships has responded in an upswing in new subs (Dominion, Apocrypha, Crucible, etc). Every expansion centered around risk-free hisec isk and commodity faucets (Tyrannis, Incursion, etc) has resulted in a significant drop in EVE's player growth.

The most steadfast and loyal EVE players have stuck around because they play to be challenged and overcome genuine, emergent obstacles to their goals - not to tour a theme park with blinking wallets. HTH


+10

Although i must say that, it would kinda suck very hard, seeing as I spent countless hours farming standing and training my science skills, so i could get the best deals on datacores.
If they turn out to be worth nothing in a couple of months, i would kinda feel screwed.


I must have missed this thing about Datacores, what all is going on with them? The problem I see with the current system is that people are using it as a passive isk generator (make an alt account, 3x datacore and pi alts, ta-da, pays for that account and your main) instead of it's intended purpose.
Mark Androcius
#40 - 2012-04-26 17:43:24 UTC
Xython wrote:
I must have missed this thing about Datacores, what all is going on with them? The problem I see with the current system is that people are using it as a passive isk generator (make an alt account, 3x datacore and pi alts, ta-da, pays for that account and your main) instead of it's intended purpose.


Yeah, i don't know where this idea comes from either, but it's all i could make out of the OP.

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