EVE General Discussion

The problem: New content is too popular, ppl are resubbing to play it.

The solution: Kill it with fire.

CCP accomplished its goal of making it so that contents that took time and money to develop is wasted. This is why Eve player base is still so small after a decade.

I see what you did there.


Yes, because people weren't doing Incursions because they were fun, people were doing them because they had become the most viable way to make ISK in Eve.

This was killing wormholes, exploration, null sec and mission running. Not to mention the fact that having one of the highest ISK professions in the game centre around high sec was a complete screw up of the sand box element of Eve online.

If you create a giant ISK fountain that gives out free ISK, would people go out en masse and use it? Yes. Does that mean it's good for the game? No.

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CCP succeded in making the sites much more tedious especially the OTA's which now stack up to 100% in Vanguard systems being run before downtime.

Go run null incursions then. It pays a lot more. What's keeping you?

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You see the trend is "pvpers rock everyone else is an idiot who pays for playing eve but should move to WoW". So since incursions arent primery pvp related have to die.

We're not blue?

But without kidding, CCP introduced a form of mission that could not be ran solo.
That was great! Since this is after all a MMO. And they cannot be done by the first noob around the corner so starting players hav... had something to look forward too.

Then after some pressure here and there and I agree they where paying a little bit too much, the incursions are turned into, too much trouble with an payout that doesn't level towards the time being spend on it combined with the SP needed and the ship types with all their fancy gear.

From being overpaying, they where turned into content barely no-one wants to run anymore.
For me it doesn't matter why people do things together in EVE, be it blowing up en mass hulks, having an isk printing machine by controlling all tech moons or running Incursions.

But when a mechanic introduced gets so much beaten up or neglected for years like 'COSMOS', it barely interests anyone anymore, there is something gone horribly wrong.

I bet you 100 mil isk that the current abandoned Incursion systems where not what CP Soundwave had on his mind when he agreed to modify the Incursions payout and difficulty/ randomness. :o

Null incursions don't pay a lot more, the extra reward over high sec for the extra risk, logistical challenges and time investment means you'd have made more money for time invested just farming in high sec.

This is why high sec incursions were nerfed in the first place, they provide null-level income with none of the effort or risk. CCP's only mistake was that they nerfed low sec and null incursions at the same time.

Wormholes aren't dying (they're one of the few places that have *worked* from the get-go. Exploration is still a crap shoot, but if you stick with it, it pays as much if not more than incursions (just not as "dependable"). Null sec is it's own worst enemy (sov mechanics/alliances). Mission Running has been nerfed so often it's not worth running anymore (except if you have some time to kill and aren't particular about where/how/what).

So no, Incursions aren't the boogyman... Just this weeks whipping boy (see 2008/9 mission running threads).

Wormholes were becoming more and more empty. They're still pretty bad, but I've seen a slight increase in the number of people in them since the incursion nerf. This is supported by the corresponding drop in ribbon prices, so I'm guessing my observations are correct when I say people are back running WHs.

(Including quite a few people mining, which I probably have the drone region changes to thank for)


Exploration in low sec pays less than incursions pre-nerf, null sec probably about equal. Post-nerf incursions pay less than null sec exploration, as it should be. Although probably still more than low sec exploration, from what I've heard dual boxing HQs is still pretty damn good ISK.

I used to triple box null exploration sites by scanning down an entire region numerous times a day, then cynoing in ships once I found a site and shuttling my PvE characters there. So I'd say I have a reasonably good idea of the maximum possible payouts of exploration, and they aren't that much different to high sec incursions.

Some people will ***** about that and say I'm lying, but in order to run most of the 10/10s, or even the 9/10 or 8/10s you will need two characters minimum. For the blood 10/10 you will need three unless you have a very pimped passive loki and are willing to risk it to take out the stasis towers quickly.

Dual boxing incursions used to gain me pretty much a similar rate of isk/hour. Except I didn't have to scan down a region, cyno ships about, worry about getting my loot to Jita or use such expensive ships. Oh, and it was in high sec. I'm also pretty sure triple boxing incursions wouldn't have been that difficult, although I never got round to trying it.

*And for anyone saying "HURR DURR, You can't compare dual boxing incursions with exploration.": please, be my guest, try and run the blood 10/10 solo. Hell, try and run the 9/10 or 8/10 solo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms - 3:30 mark, WH space gained approx 25% more players from Q1 2011 to Q1 2012 (also note: @ the 3:30 mark, Dr E states "as eve gets older and larger, we are into the "Law of Large Numbers": "All changes will be gradual and slow"). *You* may not have seen more people, but over the last year, more and more people were finding WH's to be a viable alternative to Sov Sec...

Your comments about exploration / incursions: /shrug - I have had weeks where my isk was better from exploration than incursions, but to each his own . . . .

I notice that you didn't address my statements about Sov Sec being it's own worst enemy and that Missions have been nerfed to hell and back...