EVE General Discussion

0.0 and whs are not in line with the average high sec bear threshold of risk.

incursions mining and industry could never be profitable for every bear who's now missioning.

Surprised at you Mothemoon, you've lived in low-sec long enough to know better.

There are plenty of reasons to go to low-sec and plenty of people who do; people who bleat about moving L4's to low-sec tend to be the people who prefer engaging pve'ers with pve fits rather than pvp'ers in pvp fits.

Keep L4's exactly where they are, there's enough cash, action and risk in low-sec if you have the remotest idea what you're doing.

Incursions do need to be removed from hi-sec though.

Incursions are the first and to date only PvE that actually got people to fleet up in Hi sec so they need to be taken away.

No, they need to be used as a template. Willing to fleet is mandatory for PvP in the blob it cowboy game of EVE.

How about we talk about it once we have a bunch of things fixed?

#1 Balance to AFK Cloaking.
#2 Moon goo moved to NPCs or the true fix of ring mining.
# 3 Fully modular corp and POS system in place.

And others.


Making highsec worse and worse is NOT going to make people flock to the crap that is null and lowsec. It is just going to cause them to suspend their accounts leaving devs with less funds to fix issues and improve the game.

There IS a time to make hisec crap. Now is not it.

Empires would not let individual capsuleers intervene on their behalf instead of sending a massive fleet in themselves and dealing with the comparatively small Sansha force on their own.

PVE is explicitly rewarded in L4 missions and mining is a form of co-operation where fleeting up is explicitly rewarded.

I've been looking at what are quite frankly ridiculous market prices and trying to source exactly where the issue lies. If you were to take the rise in the price of a Dominix for example; before I left some 6 -8 months ago 40-50 mil would be relatively normal now 90mil isn't unheard of. I thought that perhaps CCP's campaign against the botters might be to blame but then that would be reflected in much smaller mineral markets and much higher mineral costs and it doesn't seem to be. Mineral prices whilst higher by some 20% in terms of Tritanium and Pyerite (Trit 3.5, Pye 6.00) have not appreciated by anything like the same measure as finished products. Higher-end mineral prices don't seem to be remarkably different to when I left.

The only thing that changed it seems, and I may be wrong here and am happy for someone to point it out if I am, are the proliferation of Incursions in hi-sec and a resulting increase in player incomes and the amount of ISK washing around hi-sec.

Reported for circumventing the profanity filter and subjecting my virgin eyes to your obscene language

Current market prices being explained by incursions is a conclusion you can only come to by having lived under a rock for the past couple of months. Incursions were released well before the last 6-8 months (15 months ago if I recall correctly). You market conclusions are in a bubble that ignores the significant changes which have just occurred in 2 major ways of obtaining minerals which were announced in advance, allowing player reactions to exasperate the issue.

As for empire navies, they send me after pirates every day lurking in various highsec systems. They do so with several other capsuleers as well. How can you claim they wouldn't do something they do constantly?

Again, mining is not really PvE. Yes, it rewards grouping, but not in the same fashion. Lvl 4's I can't say I've ever noted a significant benefit from grouping. The split of LP rewards, which comprises a substantial portion of the overall profitability, is divided so that it is only marginally better than doing them solo. The rewards tend to diminish as more people are added as well. Not seeing nearly as great a push for cooperative efforts by way of incentives as we see in incursions.

Move the 4s to lowsec and the 5s to high-sec. Level 5 missions are (supposed to be) group oriented which would encourage grouping in high-sec which leads to "safety in numbers" which leads to carebears (eventually) doing low-sec roams for grins and giggles with their new found confidence and friends. Assuming of course, that no one in your level 5 impromptu social PUG is a spy trying to lead you into a low-sec ambush.

Giggles are giggles either way.

Eve's "missions" are a bunch of monotonous crap. They should move all of them to another game entirely.

L4's are still in low-sec as far as I'm aware (Haven't done many recently) and they're better paid than the ones in hi-sec, the OP (Vicious troll that he is) suggested moving all them to low-sec to upset hi-sec bears like Tyberius


I still cannot see how 20-50% increases in mineral prices over a three month period (and a decrease in the case of Mexallon) lead to 100-120% increase in ship prices over the same period across most ship categories over the same time. I concede the point on eve-players anticipation of change kicking off the inflationary spiral to a degree. The key test will come if those prices are maintained over the next 3-6 months because Incursioners are awash with risk-free cash; if you don't have the cash you can't pay the price but trade volumes, according to eve-tools anyway, haven't dropped as the prices sky-rocketed and so hi-sec players have been absorbing the hit. (Megathron trade volume index for example


My experience is that 4-5 people cycling agents and completing missions as a group will make more over time than a single player doing them solo in terms of reward, LP, standing and faction standing and that holds true up to L5 and FW missions. If they aren't then they're doing it wrong.Hi-sec and L4's have always encouraged group participation, they are even i hear (god forbid) PVE corporations. I can't imagine much attraction in those if it were far easier to complete them on your own.They existed before Incursions and would if Incursions moved to low-sec I'd wager.


I have always suported L4's in hi-sec, I have always thought suicide-ganks were way too easy, that hi-sec dec bears lives should be made harder and that low-sec is great as it is and only needs the odd tweak here and there but incursions should not be in hi-sec

Put them in low-sec and I still think Tyberius and his friends would fleet up and I think they'd have more fun doing it as well.