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Fade Toblack
Per.ly
The 20 Minuters
#201 - 2012-04-26 09:53:24 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
So we can add a timestamp there, and it's not rocket science, but we will have to add that timestamp everywhere that data is manipulated. It's just a lot of work and we are wondering what the gain is, since currently we display it in seconds but that's the creation time of the killmail and not when the event happened. Note that killsmails used to be actual EVE Mails and the timestamp was the sending timestamp. It still is.


The gain is making the data more accurate.

If you're going to add X/Y/Z data so people can create flash animations of how a battle went, it would be nice to have the explosions happen closer to the correct order. Some fights can be over in less than a minute - so a minute just isn't enough resolution to accurately see what happened.

It seems silly to me that you're taking the time now to make kill mails/reports better, yet aren't willing to put the extra effort in to improve the fundamentals. Get the data collection right first - once you're collecting the right data, then spend the time presenting that data in the best possible way to the users. If you haven't got the data collection right, then everything you do in the presentation is going to end up being a compromise.

I've not seen the code, but presumably you don't need to add that timestamp in too many places. You have a timestamp for when the kill happened, and a timestamp for when the kill report is generated. When the kill report is generated, you just need to use the time of the kill, rather than calling time() and all code from that point onwards will work as-is?
CCP Masterplan
C C P
C C P Alliance
#202 - 2012-04-26 10:28:06 UTC
JamDunc wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
[quote=JamDunc]Regarding why it would be nice to have the Seconds on the Kill Report:


no I saw it but Masterplan repliedBig smile

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1190575#post1190575


Seems I missed the reply to the reply :-)


Replying to confirm I saw your reply to the reply to the reply :)

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Yankunytjatjara
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#203 - 2012-04-26 10:30:51 UTC
CCP Masterplan wrote:
Replying to confirm I saw your reply to the reply to the reply :)



I, too, miss a reply :D

Yankunytjatjara wrote:
Add reppers, tracking boosters, cap transferrers and so on to killmails. This must be possible because these low lives already get aggression against anybody who has aggression towards the assisted ship. Why doesn't this get to the killmails? It would be great to see the assistance in a battle report, on top of the dps.

Even better would be that also ganglinks give the same aggression when they assist ships like above, but that's maybe for another thread.

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#204 - 2012-04-26 11:16:24 UTC
I just want to emphasize that we did not change any functionality of the kill reports except adding the ISK since it was out of scope for what we are doing. We're working on the new war dec system but just wanted the kill reports to look better because they were looking kind of terrible with our new war UI Blink.

That said, it would be really cool to add more stuff to the kill reports some time in the future (logi pilots, I'm looking at you)!

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Yankunytjatjara
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#205 - 2012-04-26 13:31:03 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
That said, it would be really cool to add more stuff to the kill reports some time in the future (logi pilots, I'm looking at you)!

Hell yeah!!

It MUST be easy to do: the aggro mechanics show that the system already knows... All that is needed is to send this info down to the killmails!

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Cassius Rex
Shinigami Miners
Already Replaced.
#206 - 2012-04-26 14:42:03 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
(logi pilots, I'm looking at you)!


Please please keep looking at us lol. it's sometimes hard to get logi's in fleets because lots of people want to be "shooters" and get on kill mails, but you already know this lol.

Also, like a guy said in this tread, any chance the Guest list in stations can get some love like you did with chat, scolling is annoying :)

Rrama Ratamnim
Phoenix Evolved Part Duo
#207 - 2012-04-26 15:01:15 UTC
i know if crimewatch knows the logi are doing something during agression why not have that information passed down to the killreport system.... i really hope ccp knows how big a deal this is, for logi pilots and FC's that need logi pilots this is on the level of ship spinning when it was missing lol
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#208 - 2012-04-26 15:49:00 UTC
Yankunytjatjara wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
That said, it would be really cool to add more stuff to the kill reports some time in the future (logi pilots, I'm looking at you)!

Hell yeah!!

It MUST be easy to do: the aggro mechanics show that the system already knows... All that is needed is to send this info down to the killmails!


yeah it's just one line of code, we just haven't implemented it because we like to torture you guys Evil

(not really)

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TheButcherPete
Blackbase Incorporated
#209 - 2012-04-26 15:50:45 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Yankunytjatjara wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
That said, it would be really cool to add more stuff to the kill reports some time in the future (logi pilots, I'm looking at you)!

Hell yeah!!

It MUST be easy to do: the aggro mechanics show that the system already knows... All that is needed is to send this info down to the killmails!


yeah it's just one line of code, we just haven't implemented it because we like to torture you guys Evil

(not really)


But what if we're in to torture? Shocked

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Hygh Waiman
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#210 - 2012-04-26 15:57:36 UTC
Any chance we can get a "total isk destroyed" along with the loss count? It's fun to see what was completely removed from the game to compare it to what might have been looted.

Also can the items that don't have proper values be flagged in someway so they're easy to see and calculated by hand?
Are the items that have improper values added to the isk totals? If so can they be removed?

I'll second that it would be nice to see a text only layout to compact that information into a smaller space yet still be pretty and readable
taintedms
ArB Llc.
Imaginary Rats
#211 - 2012-04-26 15:59:35 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Syri Taneka wrote:
May I just say, Fail Fit Erebus. = P


Hey! I stole it from PL!
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12761765



I like that you stole a titan fit from PL that was made with the intention of mocking CCP.

This fit was to smartbomb a gate because thats all titans are good for since the nerf.... Roll
Besbin
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#212 - 2012-04-26 16:09:44 UTC
Versuvius Marii wrote:
Do not like the "kill report" name, why not just keep it as a killmail? :(


Meta tears is second best tears! (RMT tears does come first)

Thx for the ref Punkt! Now I can claim partial ownership over any and all kills made post Inferno! And all my favorite enemies will love blowing me up for it :-) Good times acomin'!

/Bes
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
#213 - 2012-04-26 16:14:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Seleene
taintedms wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Syri Taneka wrote:
May I just say, Fail Fit Erebus. = P


Hey! I stole it from PL!
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12761765



I like that you stole a titan fit from PL that was made with the intention of mocking CCP.

This fit was to smartbomb a gate because thats all titans are good for since the nerf.... Roll


Actually, Odda violated PL Titan Gate Camping Doctrine when he did not have at least 5 other titans with him to properly cover the gate. Official Legion Titan Smartbombing Gate Camping Doctrine calls for at least half a dozen titans with similar alliance approved fits. Since he violated the Official Legion Titan Smartbombing Gate Camping Doctrine, he was ineligible for reimbursement and demoted to the rank of potato washer.

(Or maybe he just did something dumb and lost his ship....) Smile

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Pallidum Treponema
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
#214 - 2012-04-26 16:19:29 UTC
Confirming that Odda was not properly FlashCat fit, thus not qualified for reimbursement.
Etil DeLaFuente
Les Petits Pedestres
Toilet Paper.
#215 - 2012-04-26 17:04:30 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Etil DeLaFuente wrote:
Any chance to get a real raw killmail format ? the actual text one is meh ( xml, json, whatever, you choose, but put those damn ids please)
It's already available (and has been for a long time). See: http://wiki.eve-id.net/APIv2_Char_KillLog_XML



I meant Ingame , i know the api killog exists
Jett0
The Two and Only
#216 - 2012-04-26 17:50:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jett0
CCP Tuxford wrote:
In my opinion the price of the item when it was blown up is more relevant than what it is now but maybe that's just me.


I might be in the minority here, but I would like to see both for comparison.

Maybe a "Calculate Adjusted Loss" button or something, for us armchair EVE economists?

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Real Poison
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#217 - 2012-04-27 06:36:26 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Real Poison wrote:
Awesome! But srsly.... WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG? Lol

When are you going to do the next logical step and create an official and unfakeable killboard to integrate with evegate?
With all the bells and whistles. Alliance startpages, corporation startpages, personal startpages.
Social functions like (eg. a MOCK-Button) to post this failmail on the forums... ?

So all the poor players working as KB admins for their corps and alliances will be spared of constant updating and restarting their PHP servers and updating DB dumps when module names get changed again and again.

Please!


but how would those people feel special then Sad


There would still be room for extra features like that dog-net (forgot the URL) to sort sides for proper battlereports. I reckon that battlereports are pretty much impossible to automatically create even with the added bonus that CCP would have by knowing all the standings. In the end there is friendly fire (either on purpose or by accident). And also Things like statistics and player created intelligence sites that could feed of one official API to monitor where the action is currently happening in the eve universe.

All that stuff many have tried and battleclinc / eve-kill are the only ones that come close. But they all have incomplete data, faked data, no proper API for the cool stuffs and ofc not enough bandwidth/horsepower/manpower to pull it off.

So many awesome things could be fueled with a central complete and verified Killmail authority.

Talk to Hilmar about it. Use force or cookies if necessary. Make it happen Big smile
LadyDream
Boobs Light Industries
#218 - 2012-04-27 11:09:37 UTC  |  Edited by: LadyDream
Hej CCP, when you messing with kill mails/reports take a look on making them more accurate, there is no weapon type: Unknown in game, also there is no ship type: Unknown in game, also there is not possible to Ship use itself as weapon, or Tempests shooting with Machariels, and so on... just saying.
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#219 - 2012-04-27 12:47:38 UTC
LadyDream wrote:
Hej CCP, when you messing with kill mails/reports take a look on making them more accurate, there is no weapon type: Unknown in game, also there is no ship type: Unknown in game, also there is not possible to Ship use itself as weapon, or Tempests shooting with Machariels, and so on... just saying.


Yeah we're aware of some things not being correct in the kill reports but this time we were just giving them a facelift.

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Cathrine Kenchov
Ice Cold Ellites
#220 - 2012-04-27 12:52:11 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
LadyDream wrote:
Hej CCP, when you messing with kill mails/reports take a look on making them more accurate, there is no weapon type: Unknown in game, also there is no ship type: Unknown in game, also there is not possible to Ship use itself as weapon, or Tempests shooting with Machariels, and so on... just saying.


Yeah we're aware of some things not being correct in the kill reports but this time we were just giving them a facelift.


We could just simply fix this by allowing my Machariel to shoot tempests.... just saying Twisted