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The Brutix
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Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-04-25 06:41:15 UTC
Hey ladies and gents!

In my limited experience, I haven't really seen any Brutixes fielded.

I'm curious, are they viable outside of a suicide ganking role? If so, as what? I assume small gangs and such?

It's a purty ship, and I now find myself with BC V due to the panic involved with the skill changes that are now delayed.

I was gonna train towards T2 fit drake for flexibility/simple ship use, but before I do I wanted to ask.

Thanks for any input.

Hello, hello again.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2012-04-25 07:03:24 UTC
It's viable in any situation that requires extreme dps, but not so much tank and cost. You need a good warpin, and someone to web down faster targets.

At close range, it's damage application surpasses every other ship in game except Astarte, which can do the same but at much higher cost. Talos, and some battleships reach the same numbers and beyond, but Brutix has the tracking/sig res of medium guns. This already makes a difference with BC-sized targets, Brutix hits better than large blaster ships.

In the shield gank fit you have only one slot tackle, or nearly no tank at all, which makes it a gang ship imo.

Talos is tough competition to the Brutix now, while it costs a lot more and has even less tank (I think shield fit is most common), it has stellar range, hurts all the way up to 40km. And plenty of speed to take advantage of that range. I haven't flown Brutix lately because of the Talos.

Some (pretty hc) guys apparently fly it solo active-tanked, but I'd personally choose the Myrm for that. I managed to solo a Neutron gank Brutix in Myrm, and Drake tank can be tough to chew even with Brutix dps.

One issue is that any competent opponent primaries the Brutix, or suffers the consequences. It's an iconic ship, so very few gangs are incompetent in this regard.

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Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-04-25 07:07:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrett
The beautiful bludgeony beauty of a Brutix. it's like a fliyng space mace of face wasteage. One of the most iconic hulls in the game, IMHO.

For pvp it is used mostly as dual rep + electron blaster ship, or pure shield nano neutro gank"bully" ship to apply extreme DPS. At short range.

Since crucible I have been flying them with 250mm rails in mid-sized lowsec fleets. People will laugh, but they are stuck in the past. With the rail buffs, the Brutix has better range, DPS, and lock range than the Cane. And at ranges inside 50, a flight of valks make it even better. It has fitting issues of allt1bc, but it has same ehp and similar mobility as the cane. They work well in these fleets lingering in my area. Hanging around the top damage dealers. Fun ship.

Good luck, do the old girl proud

If you fly the drake, your soul automatically losses 2 points .

EDIT: Im not going to change the post because its been quoted, but I was half drunk when I first typed so please excuse the horrid typos and spelling.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#4 - 2012-04-25 09:17:02 UTC
Hrett wrote:

Since crucible I have been flying them with 250mm rails in mid-sized lowsec fleets. People will laugh, but they are stuck in the past. With the rail buffs, the Brutix has better range, DPS, and lock range than the Cane. And at ranges inside 50, a flight of valks make it even better. It has fitting issues of allt1bc, but it has same ehp and similar mobility as the cane. They work well in these fleets lingering in my area. Hanging around the top damage dealers. Fun ship.


Sounds an interesting option if Talos cost is prohibiting, or if T2 Larges are not trained. Care to post your fit? This is what I came up with quick pyfaing:

[Brutix, Brutix rails]

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II

Reactor Control Unit II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I


Valkyrie II x5


573 dps w/CNAM and Valk IIs, 1254 m/s and 45.1K EHP. (45.5 with LSE+Invuln)

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Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#5 - 2012-04-25 09:46:39 UTC
Mighty Brutix !

Previous fit is very good, though I prefer to drop one 250mm (for keeping some alpha), or even better downgrade to 200mm (for better tracking), to leave the RCU and ACR rig for something better, like an MFS/TE/speed mod and shield/speed/damage rig.
Perihelion Olenard
#6 - 2012-04-25 10:50:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Perihelion Olenard
Unfortunately, the dual rep brutix doesn't tank much anymore. It can barely tank 400 DPS. Pretty pitiful for a battlecruiser these days which is why you see people shield buffering it.
Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-04-25 12:18:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayrendo Karr
I have Less than 2 mill SP in Gunnary and I can easily pump 530 deeps from a brutix. 2 or 3 of these bastards will chew trough even a drake like paper. All you need is a tackle.
Brutix' are also relatively cheap.
The fit mentioned above + Remote reps = curbstompin action.

A drake is good at PVE and PVP

A brutix is a fantastic group ship for PVP and PVE, but solo it is a bit lacking.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-04-25 12:33:42 UTC
Brutix is just another Gallente ship, you need other players to do the basic job for you and minmatar ships are good at webbing, once you have distance advantage you just burn them on their feet. It's a specific gameplay not asking much flying technique or whatever, just max your guns navigation and tank skills, bring friends with webs and scrams, target and shoot.

However if you want to do something else than gate or station camping you'll quickly feel bad using those. Maybe you should try something else, like Minmatar ships? Lol
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2012-04-25 12:40:24 UTC
Might just as well post the fit I've flown (that rail version was just theory)

[Brutix, Brutix dear Brutix]

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Warp Scrambler II

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hammerhead II x5

my stats: 1181 dps with heat+a head full of modern cybernetics, 50.5K EHP

Situational, but certainly hits like a huge, truck-size beast.

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Jhelom
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-04-25 12:51:20 UTC
I'm newer to the forums, but have much love for this ship... If you wanted an armor alternative that allows for tackle/point you may want to consider this loadout:


[Brutix, Killmail Whoring]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hammerhead II x5

986 DPS / 1110 DPS (O-heated)
~40k EHP

I'm an armor-tanker, so this is my preferred fitting; however, the shield setup certainly has a LOT of merit.

Hope to see you out there!
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#11 - 2012-04-25 13:31:24 UTC
If your goal is to train for proteus, brutix is a better stepping stone than myrmiddon.
If your goal is to train for tengu, drake is a better stepping stone.

Remember to train for Jaming drones.

Wormholes have the best accoustics. It's known. - Sing it for me -
Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-04-25 13:39:16 UTC
they are good as long you dont use railguns

People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back -  EvE
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-04-25 14:18:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrett
Roime wrote:
Hrett wrote:

Since crucible I have been flying them with 250mm rails in mid-sized lowsec fleets. People will laugh, but they are stuck in the past. With the rail buffs, the Brutix has better range, DPS, and lock range than the Cane. And at ranges inside 50, a flight of valks make it even better. It has fitting issues of allt1bc, but it has same ehp and similar mobility as the cane. They work well in these fleets lingering in my area. Hanging around the top damage dealers. Fun ship.


Sounds an interesting option if Talos cost is prohibiting, or if T2 Larges are not trained. Care to post your fit? This is what I came up with quick pyfaing:

[Brutix, Brutix rails]

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II

Reactor Control Unit II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I


Valkyrie II x5


573 dps w/CNAM and Valk IIs, 1254 m/s and 45.1K EHP. (45.5 with LSE+Invuln)


Wow - you can tell I never drink any more - my previous post is in a sad state. Sorry for all of the typos - ugly.

You have the right idea, but you only need one fitting mod if you drop a LSE for an Invuln.

Anyway - here is the fit I have been flying. Like I said - it still suffers from the problems of all T1 BCs, but it is a damn good fleet ship for applying DPS. And because of the insanely fast rate of fire for rails, the brutix gets stronger DPS when compared to a cane as the fight goes one. Obviously - the alpha on the cane is better. I really only fly in smaller fleets in low-sec, so your mileage may vary. Not the perfect or best ship for fleets but it holds its own. Like you said - the Talos (which I love) is way better, but with mineral prices now, the Brutix is not a bad option of you are going on a risky mission.

[Brutix, Hrett's Anger the FC]
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Reactor Control Unit II

Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Sensor Booster II

250mm Railgun II,Spike M
250mm Railgun II,Spike M
250mm Railgun II,Spike M
250mm Railgun II,Spike M
250mm Railgun II,Spike M
250mm Railgun II,Spike M
250mm Railgun II,Spike M

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I


Always carry a long point in your hold to swap in for the sebo. I usually carry warriors and ECM, or valks.

52k EHP
90k targeting range with Sebo, 69k without.
with warriors:
337 DPS with spike out to 74+19,
530 dps with Javelin (good for tracking bonus) out to 10+19
524 dps with CN AM out to 20+19.
More dps with valks if you know you are going to be fighting at closer ranges.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#14 - 2012-04-25 14:58:50 UTC
Roime wrote:
Might just as well post the fit I've flown (that rail version was just theory)

[Brutix, Brutix dear Brutix]

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Warp Scrambler II

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Hammerhead II x5

my stats: 1181 dps with heat+a head full of modern cybernetics, 50.5K EHP

Situational, but certainly hits like a huge, truck-size beast.


I hear you but consider this - the Ferox with those same implants pushes 820 DPS, can project it farther, and sits around 84k EHP.
Hatt0ri Hanz0
Life sucks then you die Ltd.
#15 - 2012-04-25 15:09:02 UTC
Hrett wrote:
Roime wrote:
Hrett wrote:

Since crucible I have been flying them with 250mm rails in mid-sized lowsec fleets. People will laugh, but they are stuck in the past. With the rail buffs, the Brutix has better range, DPS, and lock range than the Cane. And at ranges inside 50, a flight of valks make it even better. It has fitting issues of allt1bc, but it has same ehp and similar mobility as the cane. They work well in these fleets lingering in my area. Hanging around the top damage dealers. Fun ship.


Sounds an interesting option if Talos cost is prohibiting, or if T2 Larges are not trained. Care to post your fit? This is what I came up with quick pyfaing:

[Brutix, Brutix rails]

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II

Reactor Control Unit II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I


Valkyrie II x5


573 dps w/CNAM and Valk IIs, 1254 m/s and 45.1K EHP. (45.5 with LSE+Invuln)


Wow - you can tell I never drink any more - my previous post is in a sad state. Sorry for all of the typos - ugly.

You have the right idea, but you only need one fitting mod if you drop a LSE for an Invuln.

Anyway - here is the fit I have been flying. Like I said - it still suffers from the problems of all T1 BCs, but it is a damn good fleet ship for applying DPS. And because of the insanely fast rate of fire for rails, the brutix gets stronger DPS when compared to a cane as the fight goes one. Obviously - the alpha on the cane is better. I really only fly in smaller fleets in low-sec, so your mileage may vary. Not the perfect or best ship for fleets but it holds its own. Like you said - the Talos (which I love) is way better, but with mineral prices now, the Brutix is not a bad option of you are going on a risky mission.

[Brutix, Hrett's Anger the FC]
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Reactor Control Unit II

Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Sensor Booster II

250mm Railgun II,Spike M
250mm Railgun II,Spike M
250mm Railgun II,Spike M
250mm Railgun II,Spike M
250mm Railgun II,Spike M
250mm Railgun II,Spike M
250mm Railgun II,Spike M

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I


Always carry a long point in your hold to swap in for the sebo. I usually carry warriors and ECM, or valks.

52k EHP
90k targeting range with Sebo, 69k without.
with warriors:
337 DPS with spike out to 74+19,
530 dps with Javelin (good for tracking bonus) out to 10+19
524 dps with CN AM out to 20+19.
More dps with valks if you know you are going to be fighting at closer ranges.



That looks like pretty poor dps overall compared to blasters. Until you factor in not having to motor over to your target. Which means I like this out of the box fit.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2012-04-25 15:19:21 UTC
Cheers Hrett!

Looks better, I'll buy me one of those.

Zarnak Wulf wrote:


I hear you but consider this - the Ferox with those same implants pushes 820 DPS, can project it farther, and sits around 84k EHP.


I think you mentioned that in another thread, and yes I agree that Ferox looks really sweet. Good that Caldari have at least one decent BC :) I only fly Gallente, however, and have no plans to crosstrain. There's enough of work to learn the variety ships I'm currently skilled for. And as long as I'm my own boss, I fly whatever the **** I happen to feel like Cool

.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#17 - 2012-04-25 15:29:06 UTC
I suddenly have a certain lonely island song running through my head. And I can respect what you're saying.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#18 - 2012-04-25 15:33:05 UTC
Except I just realized that a maxed out Ferox is only 2 days of training for me :o

Might as well do that, with the upcoming skill changes and whatnot.

.
equincu ocha
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-04-25 16:20:57 UTC
I still enjoy the dual rep brutix every once in a while, it's still a lot of fun for bc vs bc fights, other than that you really need links to make it work.

My favorite fit right now is a dual webbing hull tanked gank monster, overheat everything and cross your fingers that you don't get jammed or run out of cap before your target explodes... like a boss

Baby seal walked into a club
Kale Eledar
Venerated Industries
#20 - 2012-04-25 18:34:39 UTC
The Brutix is the Peter North of battlecruisers. You won't be disappointed. And on that note, the Astarte is a helldozer post-Crucible. A truly drool-worthy ship.


Speaking of which, all this Ferox talk is making me want to use that sexy hull.

Back that Medium Core Defense Field Extender rig up, girl, you so fine

First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.
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