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Failure To Assimilate The Matari: A Post Mortem

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Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#121 - 2012-05-02 06:13:17 UTC
Arkady Vachon wrote:
Somehow I am not too thrilled with this whole 'poison the blind guy' concept.

Nor am I thrilled with the whole 'crush the Gallente' statement - and I do not consider myself terribly patriotic.


Then we are in agreement! I don't like the "crush the Gallente" scenario, either!

That's the whole point of poisoning the blind guy and establishing a Krusual Khanate. If the Neffies leverage that good will they have earned through their treatment of Stark refugees into a rising profile within the Republic, while simultaneously retaining their cordial relations with Amarr, over time they shall inevitably become the dominant faction - and what is now the Republic would turn into an edgy version of the Kingdom (with a bunch of bitter Sebbies pouting in the corner).

If *that* were to happen, why... we might have actual peace between Republic and Empire.

Calamity! If Amarr no longer has to worry about the Republic, then it becomes Amarr and the State against the Gallente.

Calamity! If Amarr and the State crush the Gallente, away goes the pressure of Amarr's crucible and she stops being the only true meritocracy in New Eden.

Calamity! Consequently, the Krusual must rise from the blood and rage of the past to conquer the Republic outright and establish a glorious Khanate that stands against all of space. It is their time.

Arkady Vachon wrote:

Chaos Creates Content


Yes, exactly!

Ssakaa...? What might you consider an appropriate name for an organization devoted to the Krusual Ascendency? I would hate to use a term that wasn't authentic.

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#122 - 2012-05-02 06:22:14 UTC
In a round-about way I guess that we agree on something.

I'd rather be 'conquered' by the Krusual one thousand times before bowing to a Nefantar.

Of course, this doesn't matter as we've entered the realm of fanciful rubbish.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

zoolkhan
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#123 - 2012-05-02 08:08:39 UTC  |  Edited by: zoolkhan
Rek Jaiga wrote:
Except now we're united against the threat of the Reclaiming. So you can't go after just one tribe.


I wish we were as united as you say. But i know a many matari clans out there who
give a flying slaver-poo on if or how the "reclaiming" progresses.

They strive for power, gems, influence and most of that outside of concord controlled space anyways.

Even the ushrakhan, once on the forefront of the freedom fight, have nowadays little interest into those matters.
Figthing for freedom instead of random-red-opponents (RRO's) would mean a reputation loss, with those they try to impress.

There is no UNITY really.

However, on the other side - even a single clan is enough to fend these slavers off.

This may be partially due to the fact, that a certain percentage of the amarr population
starts to grow up, modernise and perhaps lose interest into operation deliverance.
Even some of them think that peace has more profit, than war.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#124 - 2012-05-02 10:25:05 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:

Calamity! If Amarr no longer has to worry about the Republic, then it becomes Amarr and the State against the Gallente.


Or it'd be the Federation and the Republic against the State.

Swings both ways.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#125 - 2012-05-02 11:58:47 UTC
Halete wrote:
In a round-about way I guess that we agree on something.

I'd rather be 'conquered' by the Krusual one thousand times before bowing to a Nefantar.

Of course, this doesn't matter as we've entered the realm of fanciful rubbish.


You would not be the first one to say that, even if they have been welcomed back into the Republic for several years now.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#126 - 2012-05-02 12:07:27 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:

You would not be the first one to say that, even if they have been welcomed back into the Republic for several years now.


Welcome only by an incredibly loose definition of the word.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#127 - 2012-05-02 13:39:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Ssakaa
Why are people forwarding the sainted Republic into the entertainment here? Call me old-fashioned, but the tribes and clans are much bigger than this Republic we speak of.

A Krusualuu and Co. 'Khanate'. Hm, what is a Khanate, Ms Noh? If you mean a unique territory, there is already one if you close your eyes really tightly when you look at any cluster map .. Hjoramold, Traun, Nakugard, Uriok, Lanngisi, the wayward Barkrik (where Jamyl and her Weightwatchers group jointly harvest low-calorie foods but that's another long, unwholesome, tale) ... the one I can never recall off-hand, sorry Luna ... and out as faraway as Hror (so close) but there we bump into our burly Brutor friends' influence.

So, Ani, really. I'd stongly argue that Ani is right there in second place on the podium as being historically important to the Matar people after Pator itself, so no small achievement in its 'reclamation' by Krusual tribal shakers and movers. It's home and it's beautiful.

*

Lyn Farel wrote:

"You would not be the first one to say that, even if they have been welcomed back into the Republic for several years now."


*

At least in the above systems, nefantar aren't as welcome (they're villlifed obviously) as they might be in Heimatar, for very pointed and obvious reasons of that same historical nature.

*

Edit edit: Drawing attention to this fine work, for the enjoyment of all. Well done indeed.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#128 - 2012-05-02 13:43:37 UTC
Ssakaa wrote:
Why are people forwarding the sainted Republic into the entertainment here? Call me old-fashioned, but the tribes and clans are much bigger than this Republic we speak of.


I wouldn't call you old-fashioned, I'd call you intelligent.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#129 - 2012-05-02 13:46:25 UTC
Halete wrote:
Ssakaa wrote:
Why are people forwarding the sainted Republic into the entertainment here? Call me old-fashioned, but the tribes and clans are much bigger than this Republic we speak of.


I wouldn't call you old-fashioned, I'd call you intelligent.


And I'd call you a very snazzy dresser, Halete. Very chic.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#130 - 2012-05-02 17:40:11 UTC
Halete wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:

You would not be the first one to say that, even if they have been welcomed back into the Republic for several years now.


Welcome only by an incredibly loose definition of the word.


Indeed. I should have added "welcomed by the Republic governement".

It is always an interesting matter to study.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#131 - 2012-05-02 22:27:35 UTC
Halete wrote:
Why is Noh so ridiculously photogenic?


You're joking, right?

I know there's no arguing taste, but...

...Ug- ug- ugly, with a capital UG!

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Luna Mori
AmmuNacionale
#132 - 2012-05-02 22:52:49 UTC
Ssakaa wrote:
So, Ani, really. I'd stongly argue that Ani is right there in second place on the podium as being historically important to the Matar people after Pator itself, so no small achievement in its 'reclamation' by Krusual tribal shakers and movers. It's home and it's beautiful.

Edit edit: Drawing attention to this fine work, for the enjoyment of all. Well done indeed.


Essa* Aaka-emm-aasakaa,

An excellent guide. Many of the historical sites here can be linked the Minmatar Rebellion itself and have special significance to all free Matari. Whilst the Krusual have provided much of the infrastructure supporting Ani's economic growth it is highly likely that today's local population reflect the mixed bunch who were either brought here forcibly; or came to liberate; or have since migrated here. It was a Sebiestor who boarded the Amarrian battleship Reclamation and disabled it. I doubt this unnamed hero managed it alone. Krusual, Brutor, Sebiestor, etc will probably have taken part in the uprisings here and the various heritage sites are a constant reminder that the Matari have proved beyond a doubt that they can act as one. The Nefantar and the Amarrians provided the reason and, as you know, still do here at least.

Issa Luna Mori


* It's been too long. I sincerely hope I have remembered well.

General Secretary, Ani Tribal Assembly

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#133 - 2012-05-02 23:26:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Gosakumori Noh wrote:


Now, sweetie, as I mentioned some time back, Amarr is not civilized, it is a viper pit, a cavern of venomous spiders spinning webs in the dark under our cathedrals to the glory of hatred and strife.


First intelligent thing you've said yet.

Of course, it couldn't possibly last:

Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Nothing is easy in Amarr. It's why I say we are the only true meritocracy in New Eden.


I think the State might beg to differ.

Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Now, if someone were to poison that blind Brutor... oh what a glorious mess that would unleash.


Nope: He's useful where/as he is. It's all part our devious...Sinister*...plan, you'll see.

*Your "nick" for us during the occupation was quite well-chosen, after all. Wait'll us eebbil scawwy Sebbies show you just how!

E:

By the way, Noh, I've recently come into possession of a lovely bridge on New Caldari Prime--would you like to discuss purchase thereof? Best "mate's-rates," just for you!

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#134 - 2012-05-03 00:20:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Gosakumori Noh
We've got different people at different stages, to be sure, but denial has predominantly passed, and although there's still a bit of angry pouting, it is markedly diminished. Who knows or cares what has come of the despairing - which brings us finally, at long last, to some form of acceptance.

Whew!

Ssakaa wrote:
Call me old-fashioned, but the tribes and clans are much bigger than this Republic we speak of.


Not only are the tribes bigger than the Republic, but as Zoolkhan implied a ways above, even *one* tribe can be bigger... should its members decide that being in a tribe is about more than which dessert to bring to the neighborhood bake sale. Now, with each eviscerated layer of "unity" curling up and blowing away like so much dust, the tribal beast draws closer to awakening.

Regarding,

Ssakaa wrote:

A Krusualuu and Co. 'Khanate'. Hm, what is a Khanate, Ms Noh? If you mean a unique territory, there is already one if you close your eyes really tightly when you look at any cluster map ... Ani, really. I'd stongly argue that Ani is right there in second place on the podium as being historically important to the Matar people after Pator itself, so no small achievement in its 'reclamation' by Krusual tribal shakers and movers.


A "khanate" is a geo-political construct ruled by a "khan." I like the term for both alliterative and tribal reasons, but I was wondering if perhaps there were a more "native" designation for a Krusual ruler (and by extension, his domain).

That said, I *adore* the notion of basing our emerging Krusual state, whatever its ultimate designation, in Ani. Unless I am mistaken, Ani is the Matari constellation notable for its ancient ruins - the Sleepers in this case, yes?

I've spent a great deal of time poking around in and documenting Sleeper ruins (albeit not in Ani). The Sleeper civilization reminds in almost no way whatsoever of the Matari. The Sleepers are smooth, elegant, circular, glowing and sterile - while the Matari... are not so much any of those. Who is Mummy's widdle boy!? Oh, that's right! The Sleeper civilization seems a bit more congruent with the Gallente. Why, there is even a curious similarity between (some) Sleeper drones and Gallente battleships. Tangent: it was actually a Talocan pole that first filled me with appreciation for slavery as a force of cultural exchange.

However, even if the Sleepers do seem more chapeau than pectoral, their presence in Ani creates an intriguing incongruity upon which to build a new Krusual regime. You'd almost think that the Krusual laying claim to that constellation, after having avoided Amarr's blitz so well, have been following a prophetic vision for thousands of years.

And certainly, the pilot designated Mark726 is to be commended for his travel guide!


edit: Ssakaa, sweetie, as I ponder, wizened and weary, sipping on a fine Merlot... given I intend to cast myself as an Amarrian witch (a stretch, I know), if there is a Krusual expression along the lines "witch king," I'm thinking that might be a winner. I said "winner" sweeties, put those away...
Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#135 - 2012-05-03 08:53:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ssakaa
Gosakumori Noh wrote:


A "khanate" is a geo-political construct ruled by a "khan.


I don't know about Khans. But you've reminded me, as you have, of 'Uncle' Kolvil Eifyr, obliquely, now you mention sleepers. He's one where you can fit a name to a face -and a princely face it is too. See, and please bear with, about... no, eight years ago now, my friend and I were out window shopping somewhere in one of Eram's labryinthine stations. Call it a day out, if you like.

Being waifs or strays as we were, we couldn't afford what we either of us coveted and in those days the idea of procuring a cheap set of electronic lockpicks or merely a conventional wiggle-waggle were things of the (near, admittedly) future. (I still maintain even today that a capsuleer, any capsuleer, without a wiggle-waggle is on a hiding to nothing. I mean, you never know when they're going to be jolly useful to have tightly taped to your upper arm, just in case a golden opportunity has roughly twenty seconds of gold remaining in it before you have to hoof it out of there).

Back to the tale. in my friend's case it was one of those then fashionable 'designer' swan-tail frocks that nobody would be seen dead in, today. In all honesty, this designer label scam is money for old rope, Gosakumori Noh and we should rightly spurn this consumer society in which humans are cursed to live. There, I've said it.

Really really back to the tale.

"I will have that dress", said she, with a steely determination, a false premise and with no legal means with which to acquire it. There was a sulk, a tearful moment and a bee in a bonnet and we all know how teenagers can be.

Suddenly, a big hullabaloo behind us, more faces, big sharp suits, busy grey men whose eyes darted here, there, everywhere. Among these was a dapper man who not so much excuded raw power but was the embodiment of it.

I don't know how it is when Jamyl embarks on her shopping sprees to buy a can of anti-perspirant or a tub of low-calorie yoghurt or two, but if you can entertain the notion, imagine that level of security with a tight menacing circle of very ugly people with a view to a kill. Very tense.

Anyway. Mr. Eifyr stoops ever-so-slightly, his keen eyes something like little twinkling stars in the vast universe that constitutes his Super-IQ mind, and says: "You shall have that dress and I'll brook no argument". Something like that. It wasn't any Krusual variant of language I could then identify but naked power has a language all of it's own, doesn't it.

To recap, then. She got the dress, I got nothing and he got a future employee for one of his many affairs and no, I have no idea what he now does for a past-time, him with his many talents and now I shall have to be constantly looking over my shoulder because I called Mr. Eifyr 'Uncle'. Afectionately, I do assure you.

*

Luna wrote: What she wrote.

Luna Mori, you continue to amaze me. Please accept some of the praise that you rarely receive for your work for the people but is clearly due to you. Ani's Six Kin thanks you -that much you know -but allow me to express this publicly, here.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2012-05-03 11:55:38 UTC
I shouldn't still be following this thread, but you're just too damned adorable.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#137 - 2012-05-03 19:39:55 UTC
Jev North wrote:
Nick Bete wrote:
(Words)

Well, the ratio of interesting discussion, sodomy and memetic engineering to the usual slap-fights was too good to be true for a while there, I suppose. And futile as this request is going to be, I'll still make it - if you have some kind of personal problem with Ms. Farel's behaviour or philosophy, or indeed anyone's, please whine about it elsewhere.



And who would you be?
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#138 - 2012-05-04 00:08:34 UTC
Dresses! Of course, of course, you always cut right to the heart of the issue, sweetie! I must have proper ceremonial tribal attire!

I *adore* shopping for Ni-Kunni dress-makers. My "boys only" fetish is not such an inconvenience when I am in the market for a few hundred dress-makers, if you know what I mean - and I suspect you do. Pinch a slender little naked waist just above the left hip and you can tell straight away by the tone of the giggle whether to scoop him off the market... yes, yes, no, yes, no, no, yes, yes, no, yes, no, no ... yes, no, yes, yes, yes! A hundred times yes!

Fast march! I love fast march.

For my puppy lycanthropes I'm seeing feathers, lot's and lot's of feathers. Kind of a raptor thing. And pelts. Feathers and pelts, some little bongos on the hip, oh my goodness they look fabulous! But something is missing... techno techno bloody techno darling - pump up the volume! Now, what about those cute little bare bottoms... paint! Send to Luminaire for glowing body paint! Oh, I am beside myself with pleasure.

For the witch I see... feathers! More feathers! Whole bunches of them. Wipe out an ecosystem if you have to! However, on the pelt front, well it simply must be conceded that boys look much better falling out of pelts than old women. How about... uncut... not that, sweetie... uncut... emeralds! And jadeite! Didn't we turn up a giganto-humongous jadeite boulder for a sculptor sometime back? I think we still have the pebbles around here... yes, there we go!

My stars this is heavy.

Who knew that emeralds and jade weighed so much? Do we really need the gravimetric coils turned up to full? A third, you say... well, I suppose the witch can always be carried on a palanquin. Let's make one of those! How about daggers? We should have ceremonial daggers to match the feathers, pelts, jade, and emeralds. I would love to make them gold, sweetie, but I don't think there is any gold on Pitter'Pator and while I really do want to be *authentic* I really don't want to wear depleted uranium... iridium, now? Are you sure?

Oh, that *is* very nice. What a lovely metal!

Crushed beneath feathers, emerald, and jade - carving rocks with an iridium blade to give it that worn look - yes, this creates the right mood, the proper frame of spirit. The ancient prophecy is coming to me, yes, a return - the return of the... no, no, "return" is all wrong... not sexy... *wrath!* The ancient Sleepers foresaw a coming Wrath of the Khan! I love it!

All I need now is a Krusual boy. Perhaps the Cartel has one lying around...
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2012-05-04 08:44:17 UTC
Not going for the pelt, Noh?

You do know how to crush this simple Sebiestor's dreams.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#140 - 2012-05-04 10:09:06 UTC
I had a dream about you last night, Gosakumori Noh. This dream wasn't influenced by anything out of the ordinary or everyday but there you were, right in the middle of it with your big old pale moon face.

Picture this scene, if you are able, because this is the gist of it.

There is some music-free speakeasy somewhere, somewhen (being a pretentious dream). Not much of a proper speakeasy as the walls are painted in too many shades of grey and it's a bit foggy in here but there are splashes or impressions of neon blue all around. I see the manifestation of a stand-up comedian with shaved eyebrows but otherwise faceless, standing in the centre-stage with a few standard props all about (a fez, I think) and a shoulder-high over-sized microphone. He is absolutely worth his uncountable seconds of R.E.M. time with:-


"If an Amarrian farts in church, does he sit in his own pew?"

-before being displaced or phased out by other presences, none of whom stand out as much as he.

*

Now, as you may or may not know, this joke was recently voted as the funniest joke in the universe by fifty-three (it was a close run race) percentage points of good honest Intaki citizens, and they always know best. I'd call it an old joke, myself, but one never argues with Intakis, even in a deep deep sleep, never mind fully awake. Everyone knows this.

So, see here, Gosakumori Noh. This dream now being officially over, I woke up with a salient point dancing at the periphery of consciousness. As I was frying some high-calorie breakfast that would tickle Jamyl's fancy if she were to admit it even to herself, and had a bit of time to ponder dreams, it dawned on me that you're unique, and thus the meaning behind the moaning, to quote a head-line.

Not 'rather unique', 'somewhat unique', 'uniquer' or 'uniquest', but The Tops: 'unique', the one and only one word, both smug and absolute in it's pivotal one-ness.

Why do I say this, Gosakumori Noh?

In a word, humour. One always gets the impression that Amarr, Udorians, what-have-you subsumed clan or other, are a humourless bunch in need of a few signed papers in triplicate from the theology council or their God to even crack a smile. But you're not like that at all, are you? It's great and has blown a perception out of the shallow waters of my tiny mind, at least in part.

What have you to say about it?

*

Additonally, you neglect shoes. Tell us about shoes, Gosakumori Noh.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"