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Failure To Assimilate The Matari: A Post Mortem

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Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#21 - 2012-04-25 11:28:59 UTC
Just thought I would point out that the Sebiestor have always been the smallest of the Tribes; historically, the Nefantar were "the most powerful", followed by the Brutor.

We are over represented among the capsuleer populace due to being more familiar with the technology and science at work... most of us, anyway.

Now, how about those bare bottoms? Hmm?

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#22 - 2012-04-25 11:38:49 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:

Of *course* they do.

Why don't we look at you for a bit, shall we? In recent memory, you have gone from shaking your pompoms fervently for Zombie Nation (sing with me now: "Unity!"), to being emotionally devastated by alliance politics (sing with me now: "Unity!"), to dying your pompoms crimson, yes? After a few stages that I may have missed, along comes the white knight routine. How long will *that* last?

I very much doubt any of those fighting "side by side" with you at present would be in the least bit surprised that, should a Sleeper awaken for longer than fifteen minutes, you would be off to shake pompoms for the Virtual Collective.

You are yourself proof of the pudding: "always" is never "forever."

Once the Sebiestor hear that the Brutor and Vherokior are considering selling them back to the Empire, those devious little minds will kick into high gear. Think of the mayhem they might unleash! Why, no wonder that just the other day, Mr. Shakur ordered his security forces to open files on an unprecedented fifty-three million additional Sebiestor tribalists. I have the list right here! If only I also had that Rake in my Rolodex...


Your attacks on my character are irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I have explained my past actions before, both to my friends and family in TRA as well as those in EM; I do not have to answer to you. I was simply pointing out that if reality matched your insane delusions there would be ethno-tribal tension within our alliance, which there is not.

You blab about things you don't know about and try to magnify non-existent problems in order to divide us. You will fail in this task.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-04-25 11:53:08 UTC
Confirming that Zukes Bla'hati holds a deep amount of racial loathing towards myself.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2012-04-25 12:33:32 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Rek Jaiga wrote:

And where do you gather this tidbit from? Within the Liberation Force people from all the tribes fight side-by-side. Just sayin. Our Vherokior partners in HUANG seem to trust us well.


Of *course* they do.

Why don't we look at you for a bit, shall we? In recent memory, you have gone from shaking your pompoms fervently for Zombie Nation (sing with me now: "Unity!"), to being emotionally devastated by alliance politics (sing with me now: "Unity!"), to dying your pompoms crimson, yes? After a few stages that I may have missed, along comes the white knight routine. How long will *that* last?

I very much doubt any of those fighting "side by side" with you at present would be in the least bit surprised that, should a Sleeper awaken for longer than fifteen minutes, you would be off to shake pompoms for the Virtual Collective.

You are yourself proof of the pudding: "always" is never "forever."

Once the Sebiestor hear that the Brutor and Vherokior are considering selling them back to the Empire, those devious little minds will kick into high gear. Think of the mayhem they might unleash! Why, no wonder that just the other day, Mr. Shakur ordered his security forces to open files on an unprecedented fifty-three million additional Sebiestor tribalists. I have the list right here! If only I also had that Rake in my Rolodex...


In terms of logical reasoning, taking one specific fact as an example (premise : Rek Jaiga loyalty is unstable), and concluding that it must be the case for all, thus making up a generalisation out of one single fact, is absurd.

Ava Starfire wrote:
Just thought I would point out that the Sebiestor have always been the smallest of the Tribes; historically, the Nefantar were "the most powerful", followed by the Brutor.

We are over represented among the capsuleer populace due to being more familiar with the technology and science at work... most of us, anyway.

Now, how about those bare bottoms? Hmm?


If I recall having read my History correctly, before the First Minmatar Empire the Starkmanir tribe has always been the biggest of all in terms of demographics and power, this through a very neutral and often detached foreign policy. The Brutor Tribe was merely a little offspring of the Starkmanir, being Starkmanir voluntary exiles themselves isolated on a small island, and thus was probably the smallest and newest tribe of all at the time. The Vherokior Tribe, is also an offspring of the Starkmanir Tribe that exiled and ventured into the great Sobaki desert for a long time before coming back. That way, it can be said that a little less than half of the Tribes actually originate from the old Starkmanir lineage.

Of course, if you refer by "most powerful" to ideological power and foreign influence, the Nefantar Tribe was probably considered by many as one of the shining Minmatar beacons pre-Empire, often at war with the Krusual Tribe for very opposed mindsets, where the latter embodied chaos and individuality versus the lawful Nefantar elites.
Zukes Bla'hati
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-04-25 12:42:44 UTC
Halete wrote:
Confirming that Zukes Bla'hati holds a deep amount of racial loathing towards myself.


So... that's what we're calling it...?


Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-04-25 12:53:26 UTC
Calling what exactly?

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#27 - 2012-04-25 21:06:00 UTC
Rek's not unstable, he is just cute so he has lots of people wanting to fly with him. Of course, if he would go back to his old ways it would make me happy....

What irrelevant character attacks for this topic. I am not going to be defined my race or tribe, my loyalties lie elsewhere but, I do have to commend the efforts in this thread to keep the hatred and misunderstanding level high, after all divided people fall quicker, and the empires are more divided than ever.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#28 - 2012-04-25 23:06:23 UTC
Dear Sebiestor sweeties, the complex emotions that swirl around a realization everyone hates you are only natural. We Amarr understand this. Peas in a pod, you might call the two of us. I know, I know, your people have such gifts, have accomplished so much, and... made sure everyone knows it. Indeed, the first thing every Matari child will recite about the Sebiestor is that they are the engineers of the very civilization.

How could there possibly be animosity?

It was the Sebiestor who rediscovered thrust (remaining quite good at it... who *is* Mummy's little boy? That's right, you are!); the Sebiestor built all of the Matari stations floating majestically through space.

I'm very fond of the elemental thrones, myself.

Now, some might say this constitutes clear evidence of pervasive discrimination. We know better, don't we? The Brutor simply have different gifts. Professional divergence merely represents proper application of specialized advantage.

We Amarr understand this.

Peas in a pod, you might call the two of us.

It won't be easy to adapt to your new role. First, denial: this animosity is pure fabrication by an Amarrian witch; the difficulties we are going through are nothing more than typical political tension; even the other tribes insist all is well. "I consider selling the Sebiestor into slavery every day - ha ha, just kidding!" The fact denials are even necessary of course is cause for some suspicion. Why, the bastards might actually be...

Anger: Damn right we built those stations, and we can take them down, too. What happens if I vent this atmospheric recirculation system into space? Twiddle this stabilizer? Those backstabbing vermin would scream as they fell into the gravity well - if only they had air in their lungs! Ha! Oh, why has it come to this!?

Despair: I only wanted to act in the name of goodness, justice, and ponies! Bartender! Another vodka smoothie, hold the smoothie! Oh, what's the use, maybe...

Yes, yes, my sweets, acceptance: we'll show those Udorians how its really done. In a thousand years, we'll have our own royal house *and* our own empress upon the throne!

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes!

Few understand the curse of being better than everyone and despised for it as do we Amarr. You simply belong with us - peas in a pod. The entire cluster realizes it, deep down - where things get interesting.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#29 - 2012-04-25 23:19:48 UTC
I'm not normally one to say this, far from it.

But don't you think you've had enough to drink?

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Zukes Bla'hati
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-04-25 23:26:12 UTC
Halete wrote:
Calling what exactly?


Haha, you know what.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#31 - 2012-04-26 00:53:03 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:


[worms in the brain]

[...] thrust [...] who *is* Mummy's little boy? That's right, you are!

[more barking batshit insanity]



I thought this sort of...deviance...is frowned upon in the Empire? You know, just like it is in civilised societies.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Kikia Truzhari
Teraa Matar
#32 - 2012-04-26 01:02:13 UTC
Halete wrote:
The caustic ***** that tries to pit my own brothers and sisters against me is the one that I reserve a special place for in the furnaces of hatred in my heart.

There's a line where insanity stops being entertaining and we've clearly crossed it here.


I dunno, I'm still finding it entertaining. Its not like she is actually capable of accomplishing what she propositions. With how crazy she is its only a matter of time until she accidentally bounces her skull off the pavement during one of her messages, and I rather want to see that when it happens.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-04-26 03:48:00 UTC
Mmm. Now that I've had some time to let my blood settle and meditate upon my thoughts I'm content enough, again.

We Sebiestor are no better than the other tribes. We are all merely Matari.

If it were ever true that the other tribes wished for the Sebiestor to be ousted then I'm sure there would be a thousand legitimate reasons - but none of which that would place us in the same boat as the Empire.

Whether the feeling is mutual or not, all of the Minmatar are my kin. I highly advise that you give them their due credit. Furthermore, would they like no more than to plunge a knife into my spine when I turn my back, so be it. I can hold no anger for them.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#34 - 2012-04-26 04:32:13 UTC
Exactly as Halete says it. Lay off the drinks and stop trying to divide us. You just look like another overconfident Amarrian thinking they can actually accomplish a task like single-handedly bringing down the Republic.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-04-26 04:42:51 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
Exactly as Halete says it. Lay off the drinks and stop trying to divide us. You just look like another overconfident Amarrian thinking they can actually accomplish a task like single-handedly bringing down the Republic.


Which frankly is rather interesting considering that the Empire have much less to leverage against us now. For that matter, the Empire's own theology and politics continually make the task harder and harder for itself as time goes on.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#36 - 2012-04-26 06:26:53 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Gosakumori Noh wrote:


[...] thrust [...] who *is* Mummy's little boy? That's right, you are!



I thought this sort of...deviance...is frowned upon in the Empire? You know, just like it is in civilised societies.


You object to *that*?

Perhaps you were not present for the orgy in which I spun a couple hundred of my "little boys" into a ball of mud and sodomy under the canopy of an ancient redwood forest; or, an earlier mention of my having infused the adorable little creatures with a cross-species recombinant viral strain taken from slaver hounds (granted, "lycanthropic Sebiestor puppy project" might have been a bit vague). I'm quite well aware of the fact Sebiestor bite. I've mentioned it on several occasions, including at the outset of this very thread. It is what made the breed appropriate for my purpose. Who *is* Mummy's little boy!?

I am!

Are you in Jita yet?

I am!

Excited about getting blown up in the festivities?

I am!

Muffin! When the fireworks are over, he'll sell one of those PLEX thingies and head to Metropolis with an allowance. There, my lycanthropic little puppy can spread word of the Devourer *and* acquire a coterie of disaffected Sebiestor youth who want a jump on the expatriation.

Yes I can!

Of course, the misconception of Amarr as a "civilized" place is common enough. But the Empire is far from civil. It is a pit of venomous, scheming vipers.

We are patient serpents, and know what can be accomplished in a few hundred years. It is not necessary for me to "single-handedly" destroy the Republic, only to "single-handedly" expose the crack. With some demonstration of the concept, perhaps a freighter of lanky Sebiestor malcontents flying from Hek to Oris, I might garner press - particularly if a peevish entity blows the thing up - and through press, additional investment from interested parties. ISK makes a great deal that appears impossible suddenly possible, even when it is lost spectacularly.

Once the plot against the Sebiestor is exposed to a wider audience, these things have a way of taking on a life of their own. Now, should it be a Providence or a Fenrir? I'm partial to the Fenrir myself... careful with that one, sweetie!
Deceiver's Voice
Molok Subclade
#37 - 2012-04-26 06:34:37 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
It is the humble man who knows his place before God

What is your place before God?

Quote:
I therefore submit that rather than trying to re-assimilate the whole bloody lot of them, we just pick *one* of the Matari tribes to tango with at a time.

In the words of the Scriptures the Amarrians seem to hold so dear:

Quote:
So instructed the Queen to her champion,
‘Beware the righteous who seek truth in spirit alone;
The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt;
Thus fools go forth to spread false word,
Great misery follows those who heed what only the weak have heard.
Heed me champion, for only you shall know;
Within the blue ring of fire lies the final key of revelation.
Find this ring, my champion, and both mind and spirit shall be strong once more.'
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#38 - 2012-04-26 07:06:57 UTC
Deceiver's Voice wrote:
In the words of the Scriptures the Amarrians seem to hold so dear:


Nursery rhymes? There I was thinking that you were going to be interesting.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-04-26 07:19:04 UTC
Welcome to my world, pilot Noh.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#40 - 2012-04-26 09:19:30 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:


Meanwhile, the Krusual - who share the ingenious traits of the Sebiestor but have instead been demonized for them - harbor the least favorable opinion of their tinkering rivals among the lot.



From where or whom did you obtain this information?

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