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As if inlation wasn't already bad enough now: OTEC: Organization of Technetium Exporting

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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#41 - 2012-04-25 05:04:37 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
AFK cloaking has less than nothing to do with why whatever no-name alliance you're in right now can't hold tech. Your no-name alliance can't hold tech because it doesn't have the raw numbers at the subcap, cap, and supercap levels to be able to even pretend to be able to make the attempt. How AFK cloaking enters into the equation at all, I have no idea.



And they're never going to make moon goo drop from rats, sorry. Ring mining is their solution to making it more of an individual, rather than alliance, income.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
RAP ACTION HERO
#42 - 2012-04-25 05:22:21 UTC
Stop fixating on afk cloakers and ratting.

vitoc erryday
Endeavour Starfleet
#43 - 2012-04-25 05:27:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Endeavour Starfleet
corestwo wrote:
AFK cloaking has less than nothing to do with why whatever no-name alliance you're in right now can't hold tech. Your no-name alliance can't hold tech because it doesn't have the raw numbers at the subcap, cap, and supercap levels to be able to even pretend to be able to make the attempt. How AFK cloaking enters into the equation at all, I have no idea.



And they're never going to make moon goo drop from rats, sorry. Ring mining is their solution to making it more of an individual, rather than alliance, income.


I agree that ring mining is the BEST solution. However, with DUST-EVE connection about to take a ton of dev time to finish up after Inferno I HIGHLY doubt it will happen this year. The fanfest bit was a bit of CGI that is about as developed as their modified screenshots of visual damage.

We need to face facts. It most likely WONT happen this year. If I even remotely believed it would I would not bother suggesting it move to loot tables. The reason I am suggesting it openly as a band aid is because it is. It is a temporary solution until they can find the time to implement the trawlers.
bigbillthaboss3
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#44 - 2012-04-25 06:43:56 UTC
This thread is overflowing with Endeavour tears.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#45 - 2012-04-25 06:44:22 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Nylith Empyreal wrote:
On a side view, if 0.0 is so stagnant to actually support such a mutual co-op'd marketplace without any disturbances of war to require conservative use of wealth, sov etc. might be out of wack mechanics wise if there is no desire of expansion. Unless we're finally at that point in natural stages of man to find a relative peace amongst nations.


When I saw my first non WH based wormhole I thought "Damnnnn this will wreck the current sov lines" however the low amount of said wormholes with too low mass limits has prevented real use of this.


It's a sad day when mods move bad threads with bad posters like this off the GD cesspool.

AFK cloakers are a no issue. Kill them.
Don't have men to camp them? Then find a corp worth being in 0.0.


WHs too low mass? Mass and logistics are THE reason why WHs work and why blobtastic alliances have not invaded every of them and pushed the intended inhabitants out (smaller corps).

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Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2012-04-25 08:50:01 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:



WHs too low mass? Mass and logistics are THE reason why WHs work and why blobtastic alliances have not invaded every of them and pushed the intended inhabitants out (smaller corps).


Actually, it's more the fact, that the next exit of a static wh exit is pretty much unpredictable.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-04-25 12:50:27 UTC
holy ****...you are dumb as hell with this farcical afk cloaking argument.

please shut up
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#48 - 2012-04-25 12:51:29 UTC
I must confess, each and every one of our tech moons was taken by dishonorably afk cloaking.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
RAP ACTION HERO
#49 - 2012-04-25 12:58:06 UTC
i repeat, afk cloaking reduces inflation.

vitoc erryday
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
#50 - 2012-04-25 13:03:13 UTC
corestwo wrote:
AFK cloaking has less than nothing to do with why whatever no-name alliance you're in right now can't hold tech. Your no-name alliance can't hold tech because it doesn't have the raw numbers at the subcap, cap, and supercap levels to be able to even pretend to be able to make the attempt. How AFK cloaking enters into the equation at all, I have no idea.



And they're never going to make moon goo drop from rats, sorry. Ring mining is their solution to making it more of an individual, rather than alliance, income.



You know, Endeavour, thanks to you I am forced to agree with corestwo here. I detest that, you should be hunted down and podded for forcing me into agreement with goons.

What he said above is the plain and simple fact. Goons win at Tech because they have enough people to hold it. Crappy AFK mechanics (which suck, AFK cloak is pretty lame) are in no way a significant impact when compared to sheer numbers. Until someone comes along and shuts down Goon like they did BoB, you're going to either have to get cleverer, get bigger, or just deal with it.
Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#51 - 2012-04-25 13:38:10 UTC
This just in: cornering the market on a single product causes inflation in the entire enconomy.


*rolls eyes*

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#52 - 2012-04-25 18:21:34 UTC
Before OTEC was there ever a cartel of tech goo alliances? Seemed like there was always the possibility to monoplise them sorta like how OPEC sorta has a strangle hold on oil prices
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#53 - 2012-04-25 18:23:39 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Before OTEC was there ever a cartel of tech goo alliances? Seemed like there was always the possibility to monoplise them sorta like how OPEC sorta has a strangle hold on oil prices

The NC tried, it failed miserably

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2012-04-25 18:26:20 UTC
it was basically a gentlemen's agreement not to sell below 100k that was widely ignored because every alliance devolved their tech selling to their corps so some ceo would just dump to buy orders because he didn't know what the ****

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#55 - 2012-04-25 18:47:17 UTC
what he's saying is not only did their attempt to cartel fail, but they went about it in an incompetent fashion. I mean 100k? c'mon give me a break. Roll

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Endeavour Starfleet
#56 - 2012-04-25 19:10:00 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
holy ****...you are dumb as hell with this farcical afk cloaking argument.

please shut up


You mean you run several yourself and don't want to lose the easy ganks you get from them right?

Killboard looking a bit too lean for you? Cry me a river. Almost everything else in EVE got nerfed it is time for this inactive use of the cloak to get the nerfbat as well.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-04-25 19:20:19 UTC
Try harder. The T2BPO tard is still ahead of you.
But you're on the right track. Never give up, you can still win "Most annoying".

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
RAP ACTION HERO
#58 - 2012-04-26 03:42:55 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
holy ****...you are dumb as hell with this farcical afk cloaking argument.

please shut up


You mean you run several yourself and don't want to lose the easy ganks you get from them right?

Killboard looking a bit too lean for you? Cry me a river. Almost everything else in EVE got nerfed it is time for this inactive use of the cloak to get the nerfbat as well.

you've been crying oceans for months on afk cloaking, tacking it on all sorts of arguments, we are telling you to stop for your own good.

vitoc erryday
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2012-04-26 04:41:21 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
corestwo wrote:
AFK cloaking has less than nothing to do with why whatever no-name alliance you're in right now can't hold tech. Your no-name alliance can't hold tech because it doesn't have the raw numbers at the subcap, cap, and supercap levels to be able to even pretend to be able to make the attempt. How AFK cloaking enters into the equation at all, I have no idea.



And they're never going to make moon goo drop from rats, sorry. Ring mining is their solution to making it more of an individual, rather than alliance, income.


I agree that ring mining is the BEST solution. However, with DUST-EVE connection about to take a ton of dev time to finish up after Inferno I HIGHLY doubt it will happen this year. The fanfest bit was a bit of CGI that is about as developed as their modified screenshots of visual damage.

We need to face facts. It most likely WONT happen this year. If I even remotely believed it would I would not bother suggesting it move to loot tables. The reason I am suggesting it openly as a band aid is because it is. It is a temporary solution until they can find the time to implement the trawlers.



That's not really how development works. CCP has hired on whole new teams for Dust development, while existing CCP Eve devs continue to work on Eve related development. sure once they start doing more integration (stuff in dust affecting Eve, like sovereignty) some Eve development hours will be lost, but chances are they will hire on a new team for that.

Over the next 6 - 12 months it is far more likely that MORE development time will be spent on the Eve side of things than less.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#60 - 2012-04-26 09:41:56 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Before OTEC was there ever a cartel of tech goo alliances? Seemed like there was always the possibility to monoplise them sorta like how OPEC sorta has a strangle hold on oil prices

The NC tried, it failed miserably


Any guesses if Goons will be ableto pull it of post Escalation patch with the mineral nerf?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'