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  • Launcher Trying to Copy Non-Existent Files in EVE Technology and Research Center

    Got over the openssl version changes. Currently I'm watching the log tail indicate that bundles are being downloaded, but as in the past, the visual feedback is missing. Usually I get some visual feedback. In this case, there is none.

    Tailing the logs looks like:

    2017-08-03T00:33:55.621Z    default    debug    Downloading 77/7796dd360927a011_4d500456a6e4ea404d3e1049f2010fe5 ( app:/bulkdata/2002200009.cache2 )
    2017-08-03T00:33:55.703Z    default    debug    Downloading 79/793eabc55b8f7528_7d13e582651c8af29f3ba436800136fd ( app:/bin/geo2.dll )
    2017-08-03T00:33:55.786Z    default    debug    Downloading 89/8919ffe2ee5749cc_9439c2bbcaf68a505b12e4cee6e4b6be ( app:/bulkdata/mapbulk.db )
    2017-08-03T00:33:56.585Z    default    debug    Downloading 8f/8f52eb0dd3f74c34_e7ef35499b7cad964ed20b336eba35d8 ( app:/bin/packages/certifi/cacert.pem )
    2017-08-03T00:33:56.627Z    default    debug    Do

    There is no visual indication that there is work being done that will complete at some point. The logs are the UI =)

    Seems to be progressing. I believe that I may have been witnessing an instance of the Openssl bug but I'm not sure if they are related since I am not sure why the launcher continued to fail to copy non-existent files.

  • OpenSSL Updates on Arch (and others) Cause Launcher Infinite Waiting in EVE Technology and Research Center


    Launcher program provides no feedback to the terminal. Warnings are emitted into the logs:

    themooch@whitehouse ~ $ tail -f /home/themooch/.local/share/CCP/EVE/Launcher/launcherlog-2017.08.03-
    2017-08-03T00:08:15.352Z    warning    QSslSocket: cannot resolve SSLv3_client_method
    2017-08-03T00:08:15.352Z    warning    QSslSocket: cannot resolve SSLv23_client_method
    2017-08-03T00:08:15.352Z    warning    QSslSocket: cannot resolve SSLv2_server_method
    2017-08-03T00:08:15.352Z    warning    QSslSocket: cannot resolve SSLv3_server_method
    2017-08-03T00:08:15.352Z    warning    QSslSocket: cannot resolve SSLv23_server_method
    2017-08-03T00:08:15.352Z    warning    QSslSocket: cannot resolve X509_STORE_CTX_get_chain
    2017-08-03T00:08:15.352Z    warning    QSslSocket: cannot resolve OPENSSL_add_all_algorithms_noconf
    2017-08-03T00:08:15.353Z    warning    QSslSocket: cannot resolve OPENSSL_add_all_algorithms_conf
    2017-08-03T00:08:15.353Z    warning    QSslSocket: cannot resolve SSLeay
    2017-08-03T00:08:15.353Z    warning    QSslSocket: cannot resolve SSLeay_version

    To fix it, I copied my SSL 1.0 version files for libssl and libcrypto to the launcher directory. I credit Ailatan. This is an ongoing change that I believe should be stickied until the built-in Qt libs have the appropriate support statically compiled in or a better solution is reached.


    Ailatan wrote:
    I have updated to Debian 9 Stretch today and launcher is not working. No error messages in console, it just wait infinitely after typing: ./

    Any ideas? Anybody have this problem too?

    Solved copying: and are in /usr/lib/x86_64linux-gnu/ into launcher folder and renaming them without version.

  • Launcher Trying to Copy Non-Existent Files in EVE Technology and Research Center

    I created a new system user and ran the launcher from a pristine home directory. Same issue reproduced. I have no special wine installed and try to use the vanilla CCP wine with no tuning.

  • Black screen after select character in EVE Technology and Research Center

    Had the exact same problem with character select at first.

    Proceeded to attempt a re-install. Can't get a clean enough system state (or the vanilla code path is broken) to get past a bug where the launcher tries to copy a bunch of non-existent files.

  • Launcher Trying to Copy Non-Existent Files in EVE Technology and Research Center

    This hunk contains the first error that occurs during each 2min refresh cycle

    info    2017-08-02T19:46:08    2046    /home/themooch/eve/evelauncher/evelauncher    whitehouse    evelauncher    download    "Downloader for Tranquility" addMissingFilesToQueue checking 169 files
    info    2017-08-02T19:46:09    2046    /home/themooch/eve/evelauncher/evelauncher    whitehouse    evelauncher    download    Downloader for Tranquility addMissingFilesToQueue took 0.005 seconds
    info    2017-08-02T19:46:09    2046    /home/themooch/eve/evelauncher/evelauncher    whitehouse    evelauncher    default    Downloading bundle for "eveonline_1170582.txt"
    info    2017-08-02T19:46:09    2046    /home/themooch/eve/evelauncher/evelauncher    whitehouse    evelauncher    download    Resuming "Downloader for Tranquility"
    info    2017-08-02T19:46:09    2046    /home/themooch/eve/evelauncher/evelauncher    whitehouse    evelauncher    download    "Downloader for Tranquility" has 8 files to download
    info    2017-08-02T19:46:09    2046    /home/themooch/eve/evelauncher/evelauncher    whitehouse    evelauncher    download    Downloaded 0 files ( 0.00B )
    info    2017-08-02T19:46:09    2046    /home/themooch/eve/evelauncher/evelauncher    whitehouse    evelauncher    default    No patches requested
    info    2017-08-02T19:46:09    2046    /home/themooch/eve/evelauncher/evelauncher    whitehouse    evelauncher    default    Bundle chunks passed verification
    info    2017-08-02T19:46:09    2046    /home/themooch/eve/evelauncher/evelauncher    whitehouse    evelauncher    default    Finished task "Downloader for Tranquility"
    error    2017-08-02T19:46:09    2046    /home/themooch/eve/evelauncher/evelauncher    whitehouse    evelauncher    default    Couldn't open index file "/home/themooch/.eve//ResFiles/56/5610a6eb8b5a4975_868ce55bcacafaf337076a6b628a7540"
    info    2017-08-02T19:46:09    2046    /home/themooch/eve/evelauncher/evelauncher    whitehouse    evelauncher    default    No prefetch index found for "Tranquility"
    info    2017-08-02T19:46:09    2046    /home/themooch/eve/evelauncher/evelauncher    whitehouse    evelauncher    default    Scheduled task "Copier for Tranquility"
    info    2017-08-02T19:46:09    2046    /home/themooch/eve/evelauncher/evelauncher    whitehouse    evelauncher    default    Starting task "Copier for Tranquility"

  • Launcher Trying to Copy Non-Existent Files in EVE Technology and Research Center

    info    2017-08-02T19:38:08    2046    /home/themooch/eve/evelauncher/evelauncher    whitehouse    evelauncher    default    Copying "/home/themooch/.eve//ResFiles/1d/1d34143a37d4b739_6a455bd4aa3accbae6969654d08f77ab" to "/home/themooch/.eve//wineenv/drive_c/duality/resfileindex.txt"
    info    2017-08-02T19:38:08    2046    /home/themooch/eve/evelauncher/evelauncher    whitehouse    evelauncher    default    Source file does not exists:  /home/themooch/.eve//ResFiles/1d/1d34143a37d4b739_6a455bd4aa3accbae6969654d08f77ab ( /home/themooch/.eve//wineenv/drive_c/duality/resfileindex.txt )

    Launcher gets through about 500 of these and then just says "Error! see log for details"

    I also had the black screen after character select that other players were experiencing. Decided to re-install. Deleted everything in:

    *fresh tmp with nothing*

  • Trade Hubs in EVE Gameplay Center

    I've been somewhat detaching from the conversation while diving into faction warfare. Since my return, I've explored enough citadels and flipped enough goods in null, low, and hisec to draw some conclusions about where things are headed, but you don't need to look hard.

    The iChooseYou trade hubs and Planet V are picking up enough sales and orders to become relevant in highsec. I see this as a growing fulcrum in warfare in Eve. I do not see it as the necessary center of the changes.

    I am building a different identity for my corporation. I don't want to Liberal Universalists to be known primarily as the citadel owners but primarily as the station traders who shoot things.

    I'll be getting more active in recruitment and establishment of policy to keep that identity focused in the coming months. In the meantime, I'm having fun marketing LP goods, nullsec materials, modules while bulk-fitting ships for myself, and dodging pirates to get into Inquisitor-Punisher gangs etc etc.

    Don't worry about the trade hub stuff. Become good at market making and weak markets are your best markets. I am training people on how to do this in the public channel, KORNS Public, and I will be recruiting pew pew people for faction warfare and consequent LP marketing schemes. My corp is ready to start forming its identity by taking in members who want 50% of their game to be station trading and contracting while the other half is shooting people to facilitate and further the first half.

  • Use Concorde Tax on Suicide Ganked Cargo as ISK Sink in Council of Stellar Management

    As someone who largely survives off of ganking for funding my activities

    Just a curiosity, do you mostly hisec gank or lowsec gank?

    I concur with your judgement that ultimately this would shift ISK sinking onto a smaller number of players than uniform brokerage fees and sales tax.

    Is it healthy for the game overall? I could see more colorful relationships between low and nullsec, such as moving goods to nullsec to launder them and taking them back to highsec. I could foresee camping a 0.1 instead of a 0.4 to get better tax rates and making sec status less trinary.

  • Use Concorde Tax on Suicide Ganked Cargo as ISK Sink in Council of Stellar Management

    Also what do you mean with your point about Alpha gankers?

    I'm only recently coming back to the game after a long break. IIRC a highsec gank usually is done with alts either to shoot things or to scoop loot to avoid being associated with the criminals as far as Concode is concerned.

    About using citadels to avoid the tax, I'm not 100% sure. I was under the impression that sales tax is levied even at citadels while citadel owners set the brokerage fee.

    In any case, moving to WH space or nullsec is a perfectly fine safety valve that requires exposure to risk. I can't imagine allowing setting the stolen goods tax rate as this is part of the relationship lowsec and highsec citadels would have with Concorde; a tax-free haven would be nullsec or WH space, not a citadel receiving Concode protection from random blaps happening outside.

  • Am I playing the wrong game? in EVE Communication Center

    ^ this was me in 2010

    What was your experience?

  • Am I playing the wrong game? in EVE Communication Center

    it was a better time, a golden time for RP in Eve

    Someone asked me if I'm RP because I'm too hardcore in delivering the liberal message. I said no because I began this fully aware that the ratchet would be successful. If you would like to create a niche somewhat like MC actually fulfills a real role, again, check out my brand shiny new corp and be ready to be the best traders in the game and use that power to add an aspect to the game.

    If groups like MC didn't exist, people would be saying, "I'm surprised that the people trying to be mercenaries haven't formed a bigger corporation and gotten credibly capable of delivering a product"

  • Am I playing the wrong game? in EVE Communication Center

    I'm making a new style of gameplay in Eve. I fly and make money. I don't haul. I don't always explore. I don't strictly need to be good at PvP, though I enjoy the rush. I repeat: I fly and make money.

    The best place to go for rich economic play is null sec. I want to show people. I want them to succeed and freely zip all over the map and do what they do, but do it in null. I can take you on a tour. I can help you make your first null ISK.

    I've begun offering to take pilots on a tour of nullsec in whatever ship they have (I can probably get them through) because I've realized a surprising number of those focused on economics never leave highsec.

    The best economics are in nullsec. If you want to make things work when they do not work, the real wild wild west, then the rewards are there for the taking. If you really think you're interested in economic meta game or whatever, I guarantee you that nullsec is the place. I've been teaching someone on the public channel. Unsurprisingly they are killing it.

    I see huge amounts of crazy assumptions about what is needed to trade in nullsec successfully.

    • You don't need an alliance!
    • You don't need a jump freighter!
    • The only thing you need to ever haul is ass!
    • No POS's or sov
    • No pirates
    • No permission
    • No 0.1-upping at the station

    99% of null is just peaceful space and I spend a good amount of time watching alliance operations or hacking cans out of curiosity and to play cat & mouse games.

    If you want to make more money than you make in highsec and have a lot more fun doing it while having so much free time not spent at the helm of a slow-ass freighter getting bumped every three months by CODE, please, accept my invitation to come fly around in nullsec and taste the freedom and profits yourself!

    Find me in game or the corp that I've formed to encapsulate this push, the Liberal Universalists.

    FYI I'm also into faction warfare and would be happy to gang with you while we dumpster pirates in lowsec, but this invite is all about just convincing people to get comfortable flying through gate camps and managing null rather than avoiding it.

  • Station-Free Trading in EVE Corporations, Alliances and Organizations Center

    Liberal Universalists aims to be the top corporation at being rich and consequent diplomatic meta-game, which will, as Eve does from time to time, devolve into shooting and anime.

    I have formulated the essential elements of a plan to change how people play the game. That is the most exciting thing to accomplish in a community like this. I came back to the game after a long break to test the theory and I'm here to stay because I've proven to myself the basic elements.

    Signs you will really enjoy the trip:

    • You understand market elasticity and can enjoy the meta-game of putting capital where it should be
    • You really hate logging into alts just to 0.1-up people's orders and also hate attempting to engage with such irrational markets rationally
    • You wish to fly ships for shooting rather than hauling
    • Because my trade techniques do not go faster with lots of manual intervention, you are willing to rely on exploration or other ISK-ing strategies (but Exploration is the most fun so far to me) to capitalize yourself. Going on gangs in WH space sounds great, and I hope you get a big pile of ISK, but I'm not going to hand out capital yet.
    • You are excited about spending free time you gain doing PVP roams and do not want to ever wait on someone else's POS timer

    I have been dipping my toes into exploration and FW (Gallante) to help stay busy while the liberal ratchet tighten's its grip in preparation for the vast liberal conspiracy.

    I know what I'm doing at working markets:

    Carrying loot into rens after a lot of playing games in nullsec:

  • Trade Hubs in EVE Gameplay Center

    Punisher Ofara wrote:
    What was the original reason that Jita became the main hub? Is it something like that in the early days of Eve, most people chose Caldari as their race, and their starting location was near or in Jita?

    Feedback mechanisms existed and there are few dampening forces so while there may have been factors that favored the probability of Jita getting ahead far enough in feedback to come to dominate, ultimately it is chaos, a system very sensitive to initial conditions. Slight changes in local population movement patterns in the early days of the game could have made large changes.

    A cabal of traders could have sought to concentrate all throughput in a station where they had some marginal advantages. There could have been a trigger.

    Whatever the case, the feedback mechanisms sealed it and the wide spreads we currently experience have somewhat amplified the effect.

    If you could start eve from the beginning the feedback would concentrate all trade into hubs and the number of hubs would always be related to the cost of transport and market spreads.

    If you want to participate in the next cabal, I suggest preparing for war next fall and joining or allying with Liberal Universalists.

  • Trade Hubs in EVE Gameplay Center

    Maximillian Bonaparte wrote:
    I see about 4 open trade fortizars in Hek but there is still no growth far as I can tell.

    Follow me to Utopia. I'm moving there in a few weeks. THE LIBERAL AGENDA ratchets forward with smooth progress, glibly pronounced. I may pass through Kor-azor on the way.

    Everyone and their dog thinks they will be the new Citadel in highsec, but the reality is that you're waiting for a chaotic accretion and the only way onto the map will be hiring a legion of people to run around and place cans and shout about you in local.

    Yeah, it's an advertising war. Welcome to Eve Online.

  • Trade Hubs in EVE Gameplay Center

    Spreads are controlled by brokerage fees and taxes. Brokerage fees went up, so there became a 7% gap basically where traders can't create any liquidity without losing money. If you want to buy or sell, sure, you can just place an order and don't need to worry about going back across the spread. However, this requires volume for you to get that 3-4% extra when transacting goods. Volume comes with concentration of players. This favors one hub for all trade.

    The rise in brokerage fees is what is concentrating players into one hub. The citadels are what will spread it back out. I'm looking for a resident citadel with a savvy owner who has a low brokerage fee in nullsec.

    Liberal Universalists has much to say on this and other topics. Channel KORNS public.

  • Use Concorde Tax on Suicide Ganked Cargo as ISK Sink in Council of Stellar Management

    Old Man Prae wrote:
    If you goal is to prevent ganks

    Goal is to sink ISK. CCP is basically sinking all of the ISK via trade if you look at the numbers. Liberal Universalists takes the position that the brokerage fee hinders trade, but citidels can fix that, which leaves a problem: where will the ISK get ground up if player economy quickly shifts to citadels?

    Read up on inflation to have a good model of currency vs goods.

  • Use Concorde Tax on Suicide Ganked Cargo as ISK Sink in Council of Stellar Management

    Old Man Prae wrote:
    Suicide ganks etc take isk out of market
    Goods, not ISK. I don't understand the rest of our reply. If the goods are subject to market re-entry tax, it makes ganks less profitable in terms of ISK because to avoid market re-entry tax, you have to ship those goods.

    The real losers would be nullsec dwellers having to blow up gankers trying to haul their goods to NPC or open stations to avoid tax. Takes a lot of ammo and exerts intel burden. Hope the goods make up for it.

  • Liberal Universalist Doctrine in EVE Corporations, Alliances and Organizations Center

    If your primary income is from trade, Liberal Universalists is a movement you can be in perfect symbiosis with.

    Nullsec trader nomads who PVP to expand trade and explore W-space while orders are filling. Join KORNS public for chit chat.

    The Doctrine is how we stay focused on the strategic goals, so that the Universalist rachet always tightens its grip, forever liberalising trade within the universe. It is also, for reasons of consistent diplomacy, designed to be straightforward and rarely changed.

    The Doctrine:

  • KORNS, who are mostly traders, in natural symbiosis with trade, pursue all means of expanding economic activity within all regions

  • KORNS do not value sovereignty

  • KORNS supports sovereign holders in proportion to their alignment with doctrine

  • KORNS aligns with natural motivations to RULE through doctrine where possible

  • KORNS avoids concentrations of power and the propensity for abuse that it creates

  • KORNS has a firm grip on reality but no obligation to help you maintain yours

  • The LIBERAL AGENDA is a statement of what we are doing currently in support of doctrine.

    • Currently there are many markets in New Eden that are total crap. We will update each other on what our worst trade techniques have been so that we are establishing a minimum bar for where good trades begin. To economize our leaks of high-value information vs destruction of bad technique, always share down.

    • Because we need about 50 traders to cover all regions, and being this spread out might not always be super fun, be prepared to use jump clones and engage in a lot of covops solo trips and frequently use exploration ships in NPC and "doctrine" stations.

    • CAPITALIZATION. We may not all be on the same level. There will be support for capitalization of members who need to earn ISK to get started. ISK parties will consist of random money making trips in W-space etc.

    • LIBERALIZE A REGION. To balance out the necessary market research time spread out, I'm planning to combine capital in certain regions, so we all JC to one region sometimes and set up huge market depth. We will pick a region based on the local sov's alignment with doctrine. The goal is to double the market throughput for that region according to the Eve economic monthly reports.

    Corporate Policy:

  • Be able to get yourself around in nullsec. Podding until you slip one through is a fine tactic. Inject Marketing before you roll out. Be able to find NPC stations so you can wake up with a reasonable expecation of still existing.

  • 0% tax rate

  • The only grinding is the inevitable, unstoppable, civilizing force of the LIBERAL RATCHET, powered by collective greed and natural advantage of being trade-friendly

  • I'm new-pod friendly, but it's not the right time for this corp. You may get more pew pew out of a new-bro corp, but feel free to have me add you as a contact for later.

  • Allow Me to Revolutionize Your Trading in EVE Gameplay Center

    I can share more information on KORNS public about where I'm trading, what areas I find to be absolutely no joy, and what I'm doing whenever I'm roaming around to kill time while orders fill (or just programming something completely different).

    I currently have spreads (like a spread of torpedoes from a WWII submarine) in hisec and nullsec. Hisec is, the same as ten years ago, frustrating and not worth my time. I will probably stop going back except to pick up exploration gear.