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Predictions on "Incursion Iteration" coming in Pre-Inferno Patch
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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#101 - 2012-03-25 21:52:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve. Players lose several billion isk worth of ships a day in them, not counting the ones that get ganked. Comparatively, how much do you folks think is lost running missions, exploring, or mining? (again, not counting ganks...


The fact that you idiots lose your pimped Nightmares to rats does not make them substantially riskier than any other form of PvE. The fact that pubbies choose to invest idiotic amounts of ISK into their incursion ships, an investment that will take ages to recoup, does not make them risky.

If I cynojammed a system, dropped 200km of T2 large bubbles on all the gates, offlined the jump bridge to keep out awoxers and managed to lose an untanked faction-fit AFK ratting carrier to rats, that wouldn't make ratting in closed-off systems risky by any means. It'd just make me an idiot.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#102 - 2012-03-25 22:03:52 UTC
Andski wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Hopefully TECH MOONS will no longer be the risk-free isk faucet , ATM machines they are today. Lucky we got a CSM to deal with the issue.


I thought you said incursions for a minute.


Yeah nobody fights over tech moons...


And no players ships go poof in Incursions because there is no risk


dying to rats of any kind isn't "risk" it's stupidity

learn the difference


Right. Because when a logi DC's due to server lag its because the logi is stupid. Not you. You are bloody brilliant. And also you cant be ganked in Incursions.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-03-25 22:30:21 UTC
in nullsec we only have to deal with awoxers, hotdrops and bubbles, glad we don't have to deal with suicide gankers because that's awful

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#104 - 2012-03-25 22:32:05 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Right. Because when a logi DC's due to server lag its because the logi is stupid. Not you. You are bloody brilliant. And also you cant be ganked in Incursions.



ahahaha logi disconnects that's grand

keep grasping at straws to defend your risk-free isk fountain

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#105 - 2012-03-25 22:41:15 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Right. Because when a logi DC's due to server lag its because the logi is stupid. Not you. You are bloody brilliant. And also you cant be ganked in Incursions.



Logis disconnecting? The horror...how do you even manage to undock with that threat hanging over you?

You highsec pubbies are hilarious.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#106 - 2012-03-25 22:46:01 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Right. Because when a logi DC's due to server lag its because the logi is stupid. Not you. You are bloody brilliant. And also you cant be ganked in Incursions.


Are you for real?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#107 - 2012-03-25 22:46:54 UTC
one time i forgot to fit a shield booster on my l4 tengu alt and it died

hisec missions are risky as **** man

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Endeavour Starfleet
#108 - 2012-03-26 01:49:50 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Right. Because when a logi DC's due to server lag its because the logi is stupid. Not you. You are bloody brilliant. And also you cant be ganked in Incursions.



Logis disconnecting? The horror...how do you even manage to undock with that threat hanging over you?

You highsec pubbies are hilarious.


Some goons not knowing anything about Incursions is even moreso.

You should learn a bit from your CSM Chairman.
Endeavour Starfleet
#109 - 2012-03-26 01:52:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Endeavour Starfleet
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
If highsec incursions are so risky already, I'm sure nobody would mind if CCP reduced the difficulty of sites, but made the sites function like lowsec. I mean, since you're already at so much risk adding in some opportunity for PVP into highsec incursions wouldn't be a huge problem.


No thanks this would just break incursions. Fix lowsec and nullsec before spreading their crap to grouping in hisec.

You want to get a ship kill against incursion runners? Tornado is that way ------>
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#110 - 2012-03-26 02:08:25 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
No they are being dumb. Risk, in Eve, means risk from other players.


Improperly vetted logistics pilots, suicide ganking catalysts, griffins or blackbirds: there are risks from other players in Incursions. Running Incursions in a pimped Nightmare is riskier than ratting in a tracking Titan, simply because you are required to trust people you don't know, and you can't shoot first to defend yourself from people who mean you harm.

Sure, the one time you lose that Titan it costs you a heck of a lot of ISK to replace it. So you be careful and watch intel channels, keep your eye on local, and GTFO if people you don't know come through.

Suggesting that hisec Incursions are "risk free" is disingenuous. Certainly, the rewards are phenomenal given the minimal effort required. On the positive side it gets hisec care bears to fly in fleets together and talk to each other. Then when you take the hisec Incursions away, some of them will venture out to low sec to try their luck. The built-in safety of constellation-wide cyno jammers provides a necessary safety blanket: while the Incursion runners might get ganked by roaming fleets of battleships, they know they won't get hot-dropped by Pandemic Legion or Goonswarm super capital fleets.

If you actually care about the absurd risk/reward ratio of hisec Incursions, you'd be out there interdicting them. Shut down the Incursion the moment the Kundalini Manifest makes its appearance. Suicide gank the fleets (the only ships you need to gank are one or two 20k EHP logistics boats). Have some sandcastle-kicking fun!

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#111 - 2012-03-26 02:25:28 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Andski wrote:
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve. Players lose several billion isk worth of ships a day in them, not counting the ones that get ganked. Comparatively, how much do you folks think is lost running missions, exploring, or mining? (again, not counting ganks...
The fact that you idiots lose your pimped Nightmares to rats does not make them substantially riskier than any other form of PvE. The fact that pubbies choose to invest idiotic amounts of ISK into their incursion ships, an investment that will take ages to recoup, does not make them risky If I cynojammed a system, dropped 200km of T2 large bubbles on all the gates, offlined the jump bridge to keep out awoxers and managed to lose an untanked faction-fit AFK ratting carrier to rats, that wouldn't make ratting in closed-off systems risky by any means. It'd just make me an idiot.

Yes U are an idiot ( for other reasons : )
Risk is defined as:
risk   /rɪsk/ Show Spelled[risk] Show IPA noun 1. exposure to the chance of injury or loss; a hazard or dangerous chance: It's not worth the risk.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#112 - 2012-03-26 02:30:05 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
[quote=Andski]
[quote=Fronkfurter McSheebleton]Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve. Players lose several billion isk worth of ships a day in them, not counting the ones that get ganked. Comparatively, how much do you folks think is lost running missions, exploring, or mining? (again, not counting ganks...[/quote The fact that you idiots lose your pimped Nightmares to rats does not make them substantially riskier than any other form of PvE. The fact that pubbies choose to invest idiotic amounts of ISK into their incursion ships, an investment that will take ages to recoup, does not make them risky If I cynojammed a system, dropped 200km of T2 large bubbles on all the gates, offlined the jump bridge to keep out awoxers and managed to lose an untanked faction-fit AFK ratting carrier to rats, that wouldn't make ratting in closed-off systems risky by any means. It'd just make me an idiot.[/quote Yes U are an idiot ( for other reasons : Risk is defined as risk   /rɪsk/ Show Spelled[risk] Show IPA noun 1. exposure to the chance of injury or loss; a hazard or dangerous chance: It's not worth the risk. Yes U are an idiot ( for other reasons : Risk is defined as risk   /rɪsk/ Show Spelled[risk] Show IPA noun 1. exposure to the chance of injury or loss; a hazard or dangerous chance: It's not worth the risk. ------------------- By dictionary.com the loss of a ship is risk I'm right u are an itdiot ------------------- By dictionary.com the loss of a ship is risk I'm right u are an itdiot



foums saved drafts often suck try to read the above sigh


fix your Quote code man.

Also, what do you know about Incursion running Goons?

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#113 - 2012-03-26 02:36:09 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Lapine Davion wrote:


fix your Quote code man.

Also, what do you know about Incursion running Goons?



A lil bit LolBig smileTwistedEvil
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#114 - 2012-03-26 02:39:49 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:


fix your Quote code man.

Also, what do you know about Incursion running Goons?



A lil bit LolBig smileTwistedEvil


Quit with that emoticon **** and tell us how much you know about incursioning with goons?

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Taiwanistan
#115 - 2012-03-26 02:45:21 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Right. Because when a logi DC's due to server lag its because the logi is stupid. Not you. You are bloody brilliant. And also you cant be ganked in Incursions.



Logis disconnecting? The horror...how do you even manage to undock with that threat hanging over you?

You highsec pubbies are hilarious.


Some goons not knowing anything about Incursions is even moreso.

You should learn a bit from your CSM Chairman.


wtf is there to know about incursions, it's pretty simple really,
theres the first kind shoot niarjas, tamas, schmaels, commander then the second kind deltole deltole auga deltoe
sort by velocity, blap the frigs, focus fire on the bs hey why are you not shooting, boot that guy in the middle of a site lol, oh incoming contest fleet, logis bump their gun ships, everybody else shoot the cruisers rack up more hp-damaged
if you are amongst scrub you use 3x logis
if you are shiney use 2x logis and squeeze a tracking link for ffs

christ really endavor butthurt if you don't know ask somebody.

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#116 - 2012-03-26 02:47:41 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Lapine Davion wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:


fix your Quote code man.

Also, what do you know about Incursion running Goons?



A lil bit LolBig smileTwistedEvil


Quit with that emoticon **** and tell us how much you know about incursioning with goons?



A long long time ago in a galaxy far far away I've been in hi sec vanguards with a Goon in same fleet( before incarna). A main even.
Been invited to lo sec fleets with goons but was a bit leery
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#117 - 2012-03-26 02:48:05 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Andski wrote:
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve. Players lose several billion isk worth of ships a day in them, not counting the ones that get ganked. Comparatively, how much do you folks think is lost running missions, exploring, or mining? (again, not counting ganks...
The fact that you idiots lose your pimped Nightmares to rats does not make them substantially riskier than any other form of PvE. The fact that pubbies choose to invest idiotic amounts of ISK into their incursion ships, an investment that will take ages to recoup, does not make them risky If I cynojammed a system, dropped 200km of T2 large bubbles on all the gates, offlined the jump bridge to keep out awoxers and managed to lose an untanked faction-fit AFK ratting carrier to rats, that wouldn't make ratting in closed-off systems risky by any means. It'd just make me an idiot.

Yes U are an idiot ( for other reasons : )
Risk is defined as:
risk   /rɪsk/ Show Spelled[risk] Show IPA noun 1. exposure to the chance of injury or loss; a hazard or dangerous chance: It's not worth the risk.


and you're a worthless risk-averse mouth breathing pubbie

bye

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#118 - 2012-03-26 02:50:13 UTC
Andski wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Andski wrote:
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve. Players lose several billion isk worth of ships a day in them, not counting the ones that get ganked. Comparatively, how much do you folks think is lost running missions, exploring, or mining? (again, not counting ganks...
The fact that you idiots lose your pimped Nightmares to rats does not make them substantially riskier than any other form of PvE. The fact that pubbies choose to invest idiotic amounts of ISK into their incursion ships, an investment that will take ages to recoup, does not make them risky If I cynojammed a system, dropped 200km of T2 large bubbles on all the gates, offlined the jump bridge to keep out awoxers and managed to lose an untanked faction-fit AFK ratting carrier to rats, that wouldn't make ratting in closed-off systems risky by any means. It'd just make me an idiot.

Yes U are an idiot ( for other reasons : )
Risk is defined as:
risk   /rɪsk/ Show Spelled[risk] Show IPA noun 1. exposure to the chance of injury or loss; a hazard or dangerous chance: It's not worth the risk.


and you're a worthless risk-averse mouth breathing pubbie

bye



U MAD BRO?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#119 - 2012-03-26 02:52:16 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:


fix your Quote code man.

Also, what do you know about Incursion running Goons?



A lil bit LolBig smileTwistedEvil


Quit with that emoticon **** and tell us how much you know about incursioning with goons?



A long long time ago in a galaxy far far away I've been in hi sec vanguards with a Goon in same fleet( before incarna). A main even.
Been invited to lo sec fleets with goons but was a bit leery


So basically you were in a highsec incursion with a goon a really, really long time ago, and don't know anything about it since.

Okay, glad we cleared that up.

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#120 - 2012-03-26 03:01:22 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
wtf is there to know about incursions, it's pretty simple really,
theres the first kind shoot niarjas, tamas, schmaels, commander then the second kind deltole deltole auga deltoe
sort by velocity, blap the frigs, focus fire on the bs hey why are you not shooting, boot that guy in the middle of a site lol, oh incoming contest fleet, logis bump their gun ships, everybody else shoot the cruisers rack up more hp-damaged
if you are amongst scrub you use 3x logis
if you are shiney use 2x logis and squeeze a tracking link for ffs

christ really endavor butthurt if you don't know ask somebody.



You should try a NCN that won't work at all & your fleet will die
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'