EVE General Discussion

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Why is that an issue, let alone the "biggest issue"? You can disband your corp, then you've been defeated and the war ends. CCP seems to be coming up with an idea of surrender terms, so that one side can negotiate with the other to end the war and I would assume if the terms are accepted there can't be a resumption of hostilities for a period of time. So essentially there is already and will be more ways for a war to end.




People not interested in PvP at all shouldn't be playing EVE, so yes they should stop playing or learn to embrace and enjoy PvP. The entire game revolves around warfare and player conflict, even if your not shooting people you're making ISK to buy machines of war, minerals to build them, you're making them, or you're selling them.

It's a Sandbox everything is linked and interconnected, or if it isn't it ought to be. It's also a Sandbox entirely based on conflict and warfare. Why would you play this game if you are "NOT interested at all by PVP"? Seriously that's just stupid.

Maybe because PVP is a part of the game, not THE game. Maybe because players can just love trading, crafting, researching ? Maybe CCp Diagoras can tell us the % of accounts who don't get 1 killmail ? Just for fun ?

Even the guy from CCP said at fanfest he knows the new system is completely unbalanced, but no problem for him, it is unbalanced, so it's just a "****" he wants to commit in prod instead of taking more time to think to a better system, as seem urgent ... It's in inferno patch ... No time to rethink and recode alll this.

Do someone know if CSM is behind that ?

So clearly you, Vahrokha, are upset you wont be able to keep your zero risk Jita POSs without interacting with other eve players.

Are you of the opinion that alliance jumping to avoid wardecs is a reasonable tactic?

All the little complaints you have about the new system can be tweaked after launch if they are genuinely a problem. Stop being so melodramatic.

The only real problem i see atm is the pricing of wardecs. If the cost was proportional to the difference in active player numbers between corps then:

- large corps would be less inclined to harass small corps
- small/1 man corps would be less likely to grief medium/large industry/noob corps in a similar way to afk cloakers in 0.0.

It should not be cheap for a one man corp to affect the gameplay of numerous noobs/industrialists. When i started the game i joined multiple noob corps which were harassed and subsequently disbanded because of 1 man corp wardecs. I cant remember ever being wardecced by a similar sized pvp corp. Probably because we weren't worth their time.

If we must talk 'real life' Iranian scientists have been assassinated in recent years, civilian transport drivers were killed in Iraq, ultimately when war reaches your home country anyone and everyone can become target and a victim, but most certainly scientists and manufacturers. Maybe you should spend more time understanding what has and is happening in the real world before using it as an example for the virtual world of EVE.

Whether you like it or not, in EVE you are a military entity, your not a civilian scientist. I don't know what it is with people like you but your always making analogies with EVE characters to things like real life scientists, pizza delivery boys, and burger flippers to justify your failed arguments. It's nonsense



Right a sandbox economy that is entirely driven by conflict and warfare. Point me to the part of EVE's economy that has nothing to do with warfare and blowing stuff up?

Awesome. Then perhaps they can fix this idea before it goes live.

The whole thing of unlimited allies for the defender destroys the war dec system. I'm sure you envisioned an idea of well-paid merc contracts and a bustling war-related economy. But that's not the way EvE works. Players will do this for free. I will do this for free! I get free wars. Sure there might be Awesome Mercs(tm) who still require payment, which is great for them. And if a defender opts for that route it's no problem. Because I (and everybody like me) can still be added into the war at our low low free cost. Cuz it's... Unlimited Allies! If you start a war you are completely screwed. You are gonna get blobbed to death. Which will quickly mean, no hi-sec wars. Honestly how can you not see that this will happen? Are you that out of touch with EvE-player mentality?

Not to mention there is still zero reason for nullsec or lowsec entities to pay for a war. Really what would they gain from it?

We had faith in you. You were supposed to fix this shiite, not destroy it.

Let me put down a little drawing for you.

In a perfect universe (which I enjoyed when I was a new player and I could play 3-4 hours a day in a PvP corp) you are a though guy with team work friendly corpies.

You get decced? COOL we had up to 7 decs at the same time, that meant more targets!
You get a POS reinforced? Cool we assembled a dozen of carriers and much more and pew pew (I was way too new so I had to camp a gate in a puny BC with other guys).
You get a mining op? Cool, 10 Hulks in 0.3 sec constantly guarded for the full duration by corpies.


Then one day it ends.
You suddenly have a life and are down to 1h gameplay every other day.
Yet you still love EvE.

So you end up alone in hi sec or in some crappy corp, like probably 50%+ of the whole playerbase.
Nobody wants a 1h every other day player, certainly not give him corp POS access (tried joining such corp on my industry characters, 2 times out of 2 a guy ended up stealing stuff, because POS access rights management is a sad joke).
At this point you setup a POS by yourself. You grind standings, buy the required stuff and so on. No mercs want to defend it, used to find "retainer" deals but then it fell out of general acceptance.
Some unknown corp with a skull in their logo wardecs you. You know they will just wait for you to be offline to reinforce the POS. They want 500M to clear the wardec.

You pay them. Few days later another unknown corp with another skull magically re-wardecs you. Is it alts? Is it just news that a dumb guy actually pays ransoms? Does not matter. They also want 500M.
Just a few hits like this and you invested 20B in BPOs, researched them for 1 year of pure cost zero income and are still losing 500M a ransom. GREAT deal!
The "OH YOU HAVE CONSEQUENCES IN EVE" for the wardeccers? 20M? AH AH AH! That's though on them, eh?

Or

You tell them to GTFO and tear your POS down. You just lost 200M in POS fuel and 20 days in research on every BPO (it gets completely cancelled when you rip labs off), which means about further 80M damage per slot (there can be dozens of slots in a POS).

Let's see the CONSEQUENCES for the wardeccers? 20M, once again they really had to sweat blood, I mean, they had to risk their neck with the downsides of their wardec, uh?

Or

For some miracle you find mercs to fight for you. They ask 1B and do NOT guarantee the POS will not be destroyed, just that they will fight vs the wardeccers.

Let's see the CONSEQUENCES for the wardeccers? 20M and they get the pew pew they were after. Once again, this looks clearly balanced.



It's is clearly surprising how people just love to be butt drilled without vaseline like this. I mean, it's totally a 50% vs 50% CONSEQUEEEEENCES deal between deccers and their target, something both have to sit down and precisely calculate the pro vs cons. Or not.

But hey, if you love EvE but can't hard core it any more, you should indeed GTFO and GBWoW. That's player retention 101.

I can't stress enough how much I agree with this paragraph. It's a massive gap in logic to claim that any and all war declarations are just "by the pound" shopping sprees for war targets. Some are, sure. But it's ridiculous to claim that all are. There are plenty of reasons to wage war that don't include being bored and simply needing something to shoot.

There's absolutely no rational explanation for why a small corporation declaring upon a bigger one should be penalized for taking on increased risk. How can anyone justify a 20-man corporation paying less to declare war on a 5-man corporation than a 150-man corporation, considering that the latter has significant numerical superiority?


It's true that this will make those newly-made smaller corporations more expensive to declare upon. However, the original aggressor now has the ability to cherry-pick which specific offshoots it wants to go after. On top of that, implementing floors and ceilings for war fees would help mitigate this strategy.


This is a logical fallacy. The 100-man corporation has a significant numerical advantage when being at war with a 2-man corporation; a benefit it doesn't have when being at war with a corporation of similar size. It's absurd to claim that 2 people are more dangerous than 100, absolutely absurd. If you guys can't defeat someone with 50:1 odds, then frankly, you should be ashamed of yourselves.


These scientists belong to an organization (nation) which maintains significant military assets to protect its industrial base. On the other hand, the bears pleading for absolute safety in high-sec demand that they be allowed the option of conducting industrial activities without having to worry about defending themselves at all. No one is stopping industrial corporations from recruiting pvp pilots, and then compensating them for their services with the profits from the increased industrial capacity their protection affords them.


Agree with everything you said, but especially that.

Also, lol at the guy who thinks that everyone should be entitled to have a POS within 3 jumps of Jita, and be able to have limitless opportunities for the most profitable ventures without being exposed to any kind of risk. Laughable.

Poetic, your nice side is showing . get with the program and HTFU

I dont see a problem with this picture. People like yourself would drop out of POS related activities resulting in a drop in supply (of whatever you're producing) increasing profits for people who are willing to put in the extra effort.

I want a ratting Titan but i cant be arsed joining/creating an alliance and putting in the required work for it so... i dont get a Titan. Likewise, if you aren't willing to do whats required to run a successful POS operation after the new mechanics are implemented then you cant have it. There are plenty of other things you can do.