Crime & Punishment

christ so many flames its unreal. lets get back on topic here

the new rules as they stand in high sec is if there is a can and u flip it u get a "suspect flag" now every 1 can shoot u. those that do fire on the "suspect" get a sec hit that will bring them at some point no lower the -5. that means no more high sec without the police chasing u. if the "suspect" fires back at those firing on him he will too get a sec hit that will at some point get him to -10 which means no more high sec for him too. this means it will force ppl into low sec, not to metion that its just gay to get a sec hit when ur allowed to shoot some1.



now this does not only affect high sec, as these rules also apply to low sec engagements as well. if u were to shoot at a -10 that was not in gcc u with +sec get a sec hit for aggro. u have to wait for the pirate to go gcc b4 u can get a sec up for killin him. i replayed the vid a few times to make sure i got that part right. he even gives a situation to which it applies.

ie u have a fleet with 5 ppl and are mostly +sec. ur scout sees a pirate gang floatin around. they dont have gcc. u send in a few ppl to get thier attention and land on the gate they are campin. now they dont want gate guns as well as not being able to kill u due to the 1 min aggro if u jump the gate to run away. so they wait for u to make the first move as u wont get guns for aggro.

with the new rules in place u dont want to aggro because u will get a sec hit if u do and u dont want that. so this means u sit there lookin at one another waiting. just gettin bored. till 1) they cant take it anymore and they aggro (doesnt happen often) 2) u warp off 3) they warp off 4) some 1 calls back-up and blob happens.


how is that goin to increase conflict in low sec. i get enough of that already. all this will do is make it happen more, plus its means i WILL have to grind more sec for everytime i engage. not just some of the time. now how do we fix this?

well in high sec make it so no sec hit occurs for shootin and killin a "suspect" as well as defending urself agaisnt them. this will make it risky but at the same time wont force u to low sec if u dont want to be there. u fight outnumbered, die or get out without dieing hoprfully u get a kill while doin so.

low sec. its ment to be the wild west. we already have the standoff effect. dont make it worse. those that want to be anti-pirate shouldnt get a sec hit for aggro on a -10. its just silly. remove the sec hit for those that aggro -10 like it is now, but adding in the sec up for killin some1 who is -10. this will make ppl aggro without loss to them and push conflict in low sec. ppl will raom though low sec lookin for pirates for the added bonus of sec stat.

that would be true anti pirate. its good for me as i have a -10 char and this will push more ppl to aggro. :) all around.

CCP on numerous occasions has admitted that hi sec war decs and other PVP mechanics in hi sec are used primarily as grief tools. And they've also stated they are not satisfied with these mechanics. And precisely because of this it makes perfect sense they are changing things around. I don't expect those using these mechanics to be happy once they're plugged. Make no mistake, grief players will need to be making some changes to their style if they wish to continue peeing in the pool. And to be honest, I expect them to come up with ways to continue and try making others' playing experience miserable for their own amusement. And I expect CCP to continue balancing the mechanics. And I also expect hi sec grief players to continue to whine.

And this is a legitimate concern. And to be honest, I'd hate to be in CCP's shoes when plugging questionable mechanics that will also affect legimate players, such as those you bring up.

If there are solutions that can weed out the grief players while keeping the play styles from those that actually play the game then you have my vote. But I know this isn't easy. And in the end, the way I personally feel about it is that even though CCP's proposals aren't perfect, they will end up doing way more good than harm. Of course, that is yet to be seen.

It's like cancer. CCP's job is trying to kill the cancerous cells (grief players) while trying to keep the healthy cells intact. But by CCP's own admission, PVP mechanics in hi sec are used mostly for grief playing. So even though there are legitimate uses the problem they are causing is much more overwhelming. The current solution offers a big win + little loss.

You seem vexed.

PRVTRs runs on tears like those.

I like the suspect flag idea as long as killing those attacking you when you are flagged doesn't incur a sec status hit. If it does, after a day or so of that fun and games (and it would be fun to see if you can fight off random blobs like that) you'll be in low, which is pretty much deserted in most cases.

And from the other side of the coin, if you're strolling around highsec and bored - which is pretty likely - you can fit up a cheap pvp ship and go check the belts. It may nudge the bears into actually trying a bit of pvp in this manner.

I thought whoever had the most RSB won hisec?

Most of those sound like they're going to increase high-sec PvP, not decrease it. Since arguments and minor trolling can now escalate into a small-scale battle instead of the original offender just being able to hang out with essentially impunity.

I also kind of like the "you lose status for fighting, regardless of who started it" idea, it adds an element of deciding that it's worth the cost to blow someone up (or not), which is nice.

You can still wardec same as before, and it will be easier to find good targets and more even fights with the removal of neutral reps and dec shields, and addition of merc contracts. It will be more expensive, but frankly for 2M you can run dozens of decs simultaneously and barely notice the dent. But if you're running dozens of decs you're doing a fair amount of griefing, unless you've found a way to prosecute all those wars concurrently?

"Grief play" is legitimate play. As is stealing, cheating, scamming, lying, spying, and all other manner of anti-social machinations. If CCP feels some of the mechanics that govern this play are too skewed to one side, they are free to adjust them to their liking, and players engaging in those activities are free to adjust or go do something else, HTFU in other words. The game changes. Deal with it. Eventually, even mining will change, pretty much the only mechanic that hasn't seen any major changes since day 1.

Sometimes I overestimate the average intelligence of Eve players. Yes that comment was dripping in sarcasm.

Also the video of the Titan dying was pretty cool. I'm kind of surprised it gathered so much attention but I guess it was quite funny overall