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Rin Parmala

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#1 - 2012-03-24 06:13:42 UTC

I've just returned to the game, and I decided to do the "Power of 2' and start dualboxing. I'm wondering what exactly I should be doing with my alt. With my main, I can fly an orca, so I've thought about mining and getting into manufacturing and trading. I guess I'm just looking for a little direction towards dualboxing in general, but I think mining and manufacturing would be a good use of my dual box? Thanks in advance.

Shinae Rawlinn

Republic Military School

Minmatar Republic

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#2 - 2012-03-24 19:12:43 UTC | Edited by: Shinae Rawlinn

Your alt could always be a pvper, maybe do militia work or supplement your main with whatever skills you think will synergize well with him.

Since you have an Orca, mining might be a good idea, but from what I read in a post I came across earlier (isk making guide) it seems to be a rather unentertaining profession and a tad slow when it comes to making ISK.
It also requires you to monitor the markets to get the best deals and demands you determine what ore is best to sell at a given time to make the most of your time investments.

The Orca can haul loads of stuff, maybe trading is a better start.
Find someone that is willing to give you some tips from an experienced POV and/or find a well written (and approved) guide if there are any, or be bold and try things for yourself.

Having a second account is a lot of utility I think, so make a plan after you set a direction (use EVEMON!) and get the most out of it!

Good luck!

EDIT: The ISK Maker guide I mentioned earlier.

Tau Cabalander

Retirement Retreat

Working Stiffs

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#3 - 2012-03-24 20:41:35 UTC

Well, my shadow follows me around everywhere I go. It is his job to make my life easier.

For example (roughly in order trained):
* Salvaging (Noctis)
* Fleet booster (Orca, Rorqual)
* Miner (Hulk)
* Ice Harvester (Mackinaw)
* Hauler (Crane, Bustard, Charon, Rhea)
* Gas Harvester (Ferox)
* Exploration (Hurricane: codebreaking and archeology)
* Extra mission DPS (Rattlesnake, as he only has drone skills for offense)

Toshiro GreyHawk

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#4 - 2012-03-25 06:56:51 UTC | Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk

Mostly, what you want to do - is decide that you need help with something and THEN get another account.

Things to think about:

1) Some things lend themselves better to multiple accounts than others. Mining works very well. PVE works OK up to a point. With PVP - you really want to know just what you're doing or you're likely to lose ships. I've been dual boxing various games - in the truest sense with multiple comptuers - for a good long while now ... like 8 years - and there have been any number of times I have gotten killed because I was trying to manage to many characters at the same time. Again - some tasks lend themselves well to multiple characters but others do not. You can be doing well, going right along with no problem and then - things change - and because you have to many characters to manage for the changed situation - you're now in trouble and end up getting characters killed. When you set yourself a task - you want to think about that BEFORE things turn to **** on you. Know in advance what you're going to do if things go badly. If you're waiting until after you're in trouble to decide what you're going to do - you are really in trouble. Thus - you want some experience to aide you in thinking about what might happen. Of course ... you can always get experience by getting characters killed ... but if you can think of things before hand ... it's better ...

2) How many characters you can manage and how well you can manage them depends on what it is you're trying to do - and what type of equipment you have. The newer the better. Multiple computers is better than one. Multiple monitors is better than one. Alt tabbing works - but less well for some tasks than for others. Try doing simple tasks first to see how well your methodology for controling your characters works with your equipment. Things you thought might work well ... may not ...

3) Besides your equipment - there is YOU. How well do YOU multitask? Even though I have multiple comptuers and multiple accounts - there are times when I'm doing something that I want to devote my full attention to - so I only run one account. Now here - sometimes I'll have someone who in effect is off mining AFK in an industrial with a bunch of Mining Upgrades on it - while I do something else but even that is sometimes more of a diversion than I want. Another factor is simply how tired I am. I can run mining ops (I've got an Orca too) but I don't like doing that if I'm tired especially if I'm trying to get a lot of ore mined.

4) Because of all these variables you are pretty much going to have to work out what works for you - with your goals and your equipment - for yourself. Just because one guy with a bunch of **** hot computers, who has been playing since day 1 and has a Caffine IV Drip in his arm can do something - it doesn't mean you can. I've read guys here talking about how they're out mining larger ships with smaller ones - by alternating their miners so they don't over flow their frigates cargo holds. Well ... I've done that and ... no ... I'm not ******* going to do that any more. My repetitive motion problems are bad enough as it is thank you very much ...

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Mara Rinn

Cosmic Goo Convertor

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#5 - 2012-03-25 21:48:57 UTC

You don't necessarily have to run both accounts at the same time. Train all three character slots on the second account to be marketing mavens, spread them around the regions and you'll have instant intelligence on market status, and the ability to react to market opportunities without having to fly a character a few jumps away.

In addition to playing the market, these alts could be trained in manufacturing. You either buy and research the BPOs yourself, or buy BPCs from the market, manufacture the goods and sell them.

Manufacturing and market play can be done without being logged in all the time. Set up a bunch of buy & sell orders, set up some manufacturing runs, come back the next day or so to check that everything's running smoothly. Use your Orca to carry materials to manufacturing locations, and courier manufactured goods to market.

As Toshiro said, you really should only get multiple accounts if you find that you have a need for them. If you try to find something for your new account to do, you are going to end up becoming a slave to maintaining that account.

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Reaver Glitterstim

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#6 - 2012-03-25 22:40:48 UTC

I find it's nice for going into dangerous territory--an alt is a buddy you can always count on to be willing to go where you go.

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Rin Parmala

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#7 - 2012-03-26 05:39:25 UTC | Edited by: Rin Parmala

Thanks for the replies. My main goal is to work on establishing a solo pos in a c2 wormhole. I've been in a few wormhole corps on my main, and I've wanted to try a solo pos. I figured having an alt would make this a lot more possible. Right now I'm training up his mining, and support skills (salvaging, surveying....), while my main is working towards an orca.

K1Vis

State Protectorate

Caldari State

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#8 - 2012-03-26 11:47:59 UTC

Solo POS as in solo in the WH? C2's can be solo'ed easily unless you have very little SP. An alt wouldn't just be helpful but is almost required.

You could train him in :

Scanning
Hauling
Covert Ops
Gas Harvesting
Planetary Interaction
ETC

It would be unbearable for me to live in my corps WH without a alt and I have lots of guys in there with me. You need a toon to scout for you as you bring your supplies in from Highsec and when you haul your goods out. And considering the money you make in WH's with PI, more alts = more ISK. Your alt can also serve as bait.

Iggep

Pandemic Horde Inc.

Pandemic Horde

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#9 - 2012-03-26 16:56:09 UTC

Rin Parmala wrote:

Its all about creating synergies and using one to compliment the other. You have to decide what you want to do mid to long term first, then you can decide what best compliments your main character. Though you did things a bit differently than most. Most level a miner first if they're going to become involved in mining and use a second character to pilot an Orca. Were you playing solo before, or were you piloting for a corps mining ops?

In any event, if you want to be able to mine with the intent to either manufacture or sell the minerals then a miner as a second character is likely your best option. You'll likely also want to train your Orca as a Industrial/Freighter pilot too to haul. Being able to produce at least some of your raw materials for manufacturing will save you considerable ISK if you're low on that. You can, of course, market order minerals for whatever manufacture you might want to pursue too but your margins are likely to be very thin and should be prepared for that. Using the market to completely supply raw materials will require a good pool of capital for any level of manufacturing more than a trifling amount. Depending on what you might want to manufacture of course.

Competitive manufacturing really requires a POS though. You'll want to build as much sufficiency as you can to keep costs down and you might need time to research that and prepare. So you might look at this in stages and build up to an ultimate goal. You can start a trading career and prepare just as easily with a trader as you could with a miner. But do you want to be staring at market orders all day and hauling things from station to station? Or do you want to be staring at roids?

Or, would you rather go in an entirely different direction and run missions?

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Wolfgang Shogaatsu The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 7	#10 - 2012-03-26 16:58:43 UTC If you have access to a POS to do research and manufacturing in, then having six potential characters all running as many jobs as they can is a boon, just thought I'd toss that in there.


Rin Parmala Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 1	#11 - 2012-03-28 15:47:58 UTC In a c2 wh, where would most of my profits most likely be coming from? Would it mainly be from running sleeper sites(salvaging them too) and gas harvesting? I'm just wondering if I would actually be mining that much in wh space.

K1Vis

State Protectorate

Caldari State

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#12 - 2012-03-31 23:13:20 UTC

Profit Possibilities include Planetary interaction, Sites, Anoms, Gas harvesting and reactions. In a C2 you wont get too much from Gas harvesting. Reactions is a very good money maker but takes alot of startup cost and logisitcs. You can solo Sites/Anoms for good money and Pi is ofcourse really good money in a WH. It does take some money and time to replace the old customs offices though. If you have a static then you can exploit it by selling any unoccupied WH you find for some good isk.