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I dislike the idea of FW being the main source of Datacores for T2. Datacores are not an ISK faucet! You don't get ISK from the R&D agents, you get Datacores. And Datacores are materials, not ISK. You can sell them for ISK, yes. But you can also use them for invention.

From RP point of view, its the industrialists who should be scientists as well. From RL point of view, most pilots who fly PVP are not interested in Industry, so Datacores will not be high on their list of interest if they can sell Navy Domis and Navy Scorps. There is a risk of a serious increase in t2 prices, fuelling the inflation.

MAYBE a solution here would be introduction of Level 5 R&D agents available solely for pilots who participate in FW?

Everything else looks quite solid, enough to get me involved in Gallente militia again. I don't mind being unable to dock in Jita, as I have an alt there (most players do).

I don't think denying docking access to all stations is a really good idea to promote fights in FW. It might give you a reason to plex but that does not change the fact that plexing mostly sucks atm. Uness plexing gets a complete overhaul or redesign this is a no go imo. It will just drive people away from FW in the long run

First and foremost before FW LP-Stores are improved, the missions have to be changed to make it absolutly impossible to do them in stealth bombers!!! Even if you have an alt speedtanking. Maybe add some Spider drones. Also NPCs in the plexes should be equal in tank and dmg across all 4 militas. Uniform damage distribution and similar turret tracking and missle spams no matter what faction. In exchange remove all EW from the plex rats
Also give every Mission a fail objective that the hostile milita can do to make the mission fail. Atm the only way to keep enemies from completing the mission is to camp it non stop for 8 hours..
If people want their FW LP they should be ready to fight for them
I am not sure if datacores are the best way to improve the FW store. Decryptors might be a better idea and whould help invention more, especially ship invention which has always a hard time to compete with BPOs
If FW stores had decent stuff it would definalty be an isk sink BUT the biggest issue of the stores are the necessary tags that you need and their extremy unequal distribution among the npcs you kill. Very few tags are actually usefull and they are quite rare. Maybe give us the option to convert tags into some kind of FW currency that together with LP and isk is used to get items in the store. Also give the FW stores all BPC copies of their faction. ( I want navy baddons in the lp store!

Making occupancy mean something is a good thing in general BUT it's importand that it scales well for the loosing side, otherwise people will just join the winning side and the other side will just quit due to facing insane odds

It's not easy but definalty possible. Maybe scale rewards with something like (number of your miltia real accounts/number of hostile milita real account) * BaseRewar

Also a milita needs some kind of council or leadership that can remove obvious spies from their milita

Make Fleet adverts better so i can allow all players from my milita to join and only disallow the known spies that i have set to -5 or -10 because atm this is not possible with the fleet finder

I still have a lot of ideas to improve FW but its just too much to write them all down

Just keep 1 thing in mind. FW players do not want FW to be anything like 0.0. We don't want blob warfare. We don't want CTA's or the necessity for them. We dont want supercapital blobs to ruin our fun. FW should not be like "I have to login and play otherwise we are going to loose the System and are screwed :(" but more like "I want to login because there is a System to fight over and there is a lot of fun to be had! :)"

Exactly. You so nothing except train skills, once. And npc corps give you something that is converted to isk (either directly our indirectly). e.g. faucet. Using the direct ccp definition it is a mission reward.

I don't know why this is so hard to comprehend. Its basic common sense.

This, don't deny docking.. I haven't been in FW for ages but when I was, all the fun was basing deep in the enemy systems and having reinforcements close by. This will definitely not make FW less blobby, at least.

A faucet is a game mechainc that introduces something to the game world, a sink is something that takes away from the game world.

An ISK faucet introduces ISK. A mineral faucet introduces minerals. Faucet is the noun, "ISK" or "Mineral" are attributive nouns, they define the type of faucet. R&D agents are data core faucets. Rat bounties are ISK faucets.

You can't really fall back to high sec if you're perma flashy.



This.

I play FW instead of null sec because I like an environment I can go off on my own and do something, where I don't have to cooperate with a large organization to go out and get some pew pew. Instead, I can just place myself down anywhere in lowsec and get some pew pew when rl permits me to log in. One place getting too blobby? Move somewhere else. Plexes can also shave down the size of the blob by restricting combat to a particular ship type, when there is some reason for people to want to run them.

These FW changes with station docking lockouts pretty much makes piracy the only option left for the independent player. The "rewards" seem to be "farm plexes so that you can later farm missions with greater payout". Seriously? My reward for farming is that I can farm some more?!?!?

What's suggested here is an organized style of play, much like nullsec. I chose FW due to it's differences from nullsec, no centralized organization, no requirement to "have" to defend something when I have rl to attend to, and especially the ability for me to not play for weeks and come back and everything is still in my station waiting for me to play with it.

Yes for carrots in FW, no to sticks.

No because you will have failed to meet some arbitrary condition that had nothing to do with you taking all systems :)

This is by far the overwhelming message I am hearing from players.

The cyno jammers are station lockouts are controversial, they COULD have tremendous value if implemented correctly, this is why I advocate CCP focus on the "Yes" Items above, make sure those make it in first, and than focus the rest of their time on balancing the cyno jammer / station lockout issue and not ******* that up, and saving themselves the wasted effort of complicated LP upgrades to systems and sov-lite stuff.

I think the infrastructure stuff has a little merit if tweaked, but only if its automated and tied to Victory Points, so that the process flows easier and only requires that Faction Warfare pilots fight each other, not have to sacrifice LP and cut into their ship replacement funds. We need that isk income to keep fighting.

I also don't like them calling this "sov" instead of occupancy, I think occupancy fits the lore better and discourages them from "streamlining" 0.0 and FW gameplay, which is something I think we've all universally agreed is a bad bad move. The justification that calling this Sov "increases perceived value" is a really weak argument for something that opens the door to a meshing of two independent game play styles.

Uredo's list is the nuts of bolts of what the community reaction has been and what I'm gathering at the moment, keep the feedback coming strong. The more voices that speak up the greater influence we have here. I'm going to be doing a lot of writing / collating of posts this week, so that when I take office on April 4 I can immediately start working with the developers to find out precisely what we can change / prevent here and what is too late.

Nice work everyone, keep it up!

I'll be unpopular and say I could live with sov warfare locking folks out of stations. Providing a few things; firstly it needs to take longer, I recall a month or so back Vard flipped twice in 23 hours, this is daft pure and simple. Not sure how you would go about changing this, twice as many plexes would I think break even the most hardened of pilots and nobody wants alarm clock ops in FW so I'm hesitant to start screaming for RF timers. Secondly I think there needs to potentially be some cooldown for evaccing ships/assets perhaps? I'm really unsure...
On the other hand it would end station game PvP in FW which I would love because station ring PvP is a personal bugbear of mine. It would also force fights towards the frontlines (15 jumps into enemy lowsec will be awkward for reships and repairs so I suspect folks will be better off plexing closer to home) without ruining the sandbox and saying “no you cannot attack here, I don't care how clever your plan is”.



This is also true and I think we can at least potentially have the best of both worlds IF the sov system is set up to work with that.

At present in the minmatar/amarr WZ what will happen if these changes come in most likely is the off TZs will plex each others home systems as a troll (Minnie USTZ will probably flip Kourm/Kam/Auga Amarr USTZ will flip Arzad/Vard) and everyone will wake up after a night's sleep unable to redock into their PvP hangars.

Pure and simple I don't think this is acceptable so either the sov consequences need to be rethought heavily *or* they need to give us a sov system that works. Personally I think implementing a working sov system is needed *before* you tack on a series of consequences. Regardless what CCP may think the current sov system is far from perfect, it is a marked improvement on the previous iteration for certain but it is certainly not resilient enough for consequences at present. A large portion of the balancing forces involved in the fun pewpew we are having plexing at the moment is that for many FW pilots it is simply optional so why bother, if you get all sides plexing at full strength it will break very, very quickly.

Anyhow that be my tuppence, thanks for reading my walloftext

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(Sorry if I sound like I'm picking on Neph I actually just wanted to build on his post, I thought it was a good one and figured that me and him in public agreeing might well turn heads *dons the flame suit*)

LOL, you (22nd) didn't get one the first time! (One of the biggest traveshamockeries in history of Eve btw)