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Predictions on "Incursion Iteration" coming in Pre-Inferno Patch
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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2012-03-25 18:33:40 UTC
Just give death ray of doom to sansha. People stop doing incursions when they experience helldeathpodkill immediately after entering the site.

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#62 - 2012-03-25 18:36:41 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
- Primary goal is survival from bloodthirsty female avatars with fangs.

You, good sir, sound as though you are in desperate need of a cold shower.

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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2012-03-25 18:43:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Grey Stormshadow
Naa I just troll you with "teen"-rated comments which contain some "violence".

edit: just to be clear - no nudity.

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#64 - 2012-03-25 18:46:43 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Chandaris wrote:
Anyone who says highsec incursions are not risky has obviously never run an assault or hq site more than once. Ships are lost all the time in many of those sites as organization has to be near perfect to pull them off.


When people talk about risk in Eve they are talking about risk from other players. Anybody who loses their ship to an NPC is dumb...it has nothing to do with risk.


Your definition of risk is absurd & slanted towards the way you want everyone to play the game, BUT HERE: Often the risk is greater when you have to fly with unknown/unproven players in an incursion. INCURSIONS THEREFORE HAVE RISK FROM OTHER PLAYERS Thanks for proving my point that Incursions have risk ladie Big smile
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#65 - 2012-03-25 18:53:06 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Tetragammatron Prime wrote:
Andski wrote:
Kendra Wilkinson wrote:
cauz really your 0.0 are risky when you farming like pigz? with cyno jam, the 20 large bbl T2 n each gate, the afk cloak?

you are just mad to not be able to gank ppl without risk like you do with miners.

so shut up and return in your cave


lol you think people actually do that

so, so dumb


haven't visited deklein for a while but I know last time I was there the high npc kill system for both goons and TNT were like that..same with fcon and FA systems in pb and cr

so, you are dumbbb

I think people do that. I've seen them do it all the time. Nothing new. It's the same "risk free" isk as incursions.


Maybe as risk-free, but it's the absolute opposite in terms of required effort and cooperation to make it that safe.

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#66 - 2012-03-25 18:56:12 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
My prediction: CCP keeps track of everyone in this thread who claims high sec incursions are risky and then, on the night of the patch, transports them in their shiny pirate faction battle ships into the heart of syndicate. At the very least such an approach might get them them to re-evaluate their definitions of the word "risk".

(Hint: risk involves losing a ship occasionally)



I've taken shiney's through the NULL SEC pipe in syndicate to get to Incursions in Solitude. It was fun& scary. I parked them there & now when I feel like it I cov op through sydicate to do the pocket incursions when they pop up there.
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But back to wishfull predictions: I hope VG's get some randomness added in the form of occasional Outuni or extra Maras showingup in NCOs & NMCs. Maybe a Vyladien should occasionally replace the last Deltole in OTA's 
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#67 - 2012-03-25 19:06:22 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Your definition of risk is absurd & slanted towards the way you want everyone to play the game, BUT HERE: Often the risk is greater when you have to fly with unknown/unproven players in an incursion. INCURSIONS THEREFORE HAVE RISK FROM OTHER PLAYERS Thanks for proving my point that Incursions have risk ladie Big smile

If incursions have so much risk, why do incursion runners have so few losses on their killboards? And why do the number of ship/pod kills in incursion systems not differ from the surrounding areas?

And, FYI, we've all run incursions. We know they aren't dangerous.

DarthNefarius wrote:
I've taken shiney's through the NULL SEC pipe in syndicate to get to Incursions in Solitude. It was fun& scary. I parked them there & now when I feel like it I cov op through sydicate to do the pocket incursions when they pop up there.

Yeah, the TXW entrance is rarely camped, and it's mostly empty through the 5j to solitude. Trying coming in through PF-346 and reaching the same destination :D

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2012-03-25 19:41:56 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Your definition of risk is absurd & slanted towards the way you want everyone to play the game, BUT HERE: Often the risk is greater when you have to fly with unknown/unproven players in an incursion. INCURSIONS THEREFORE HAVE RISK FROM OTHER PLAYERS Thanks for proving my point that Incursions have risk ladie Big smile


Low sec and null incursions have risk from other players. High sec incursions do not.

You should try leaving high sec once in a while to see what's really out there.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#69 - 2012-03-25 20:14:46 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Simi Kusoni wrote:

If incursions have so much risk, why do incursion runners have so few losses on their killboards?


Since when do people post deaths by rats on public killboards?

Where is this magical public killboard that shows the bhaalgorn ship death I had about a month ago in an Assault?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2012-03-25 20:21:16 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:

If incursions have so much risk, why do incursion runners have so few losses on their killboards?


Since when do people post deaths by rats on public killboards?

Where is this magical public killboard that shows the bhaalgorn ship death I had about a month ago in an Assault?


Getting killed by rats doesn't equal risk. People losing ships to rats are just dumb.

I just realized you're the same dude who made the hilarious "titan nerf is kowtowing to goons" thread. lol

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#71 - 2012-03-25 20:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Ladie Harlot wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Your definition of risk is absurd & slanted towards the way you want everyone to play the game, BUT HERE: Often the risk is greater when you have to fly with unknown/unproven players in an incursion. INCURSIONS THEREFORE HAVE RISK FROM OTHER PLAYERS Thanks for proving my point that Incursions have risk ladie Big smile


Low sec and null incursions have risk from other players. High sec incursions do not.

You should try leaving high sec once in a while to see what's really out there.



Been thru null a few times don't wanna move there yet but I'll probably change my midn eventually again.
I have been in lo sec incursions saw Villy there in system a few times in system local
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1103/2011.02.26.21.22.36.jpg
above was MOM loot I recall right before the goons got the first revenant BPC ( unfortunely not my screenshot its was evemailed to me :)
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2012-03-25 20:28:56 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Your definition of risk is absurd & slanted towards the way you want everyone to play the game, BUT HERE: Often the risk is greater when you have to fly with unknown/unproven players in an incursion. INCURSIONS THEREFORE HAVE RISK FROM OTHER PLAYERS Thanks for proving my point that Incursions have risk ladie Big smile


Low sec and null incursions have risk from other players. High sec incursions do not.

You should try leaving high sec once in a while to see what's really out there.



I have in lo sec saw Villy there in system a few times in system local
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1103/2011.02.26.21.22.36.jpg


If you've been to lowsec then you should understand the difference between risk in lowsec and "risk" in highsec.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#73 - 2012-03-25 20:33:56 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Since when do people post deaths by rats on public killboards?

Where is this magical public killboard that shows the bhaalgorn ship death I had about a month ago in an Assault?

Since when is this game balanced around people dumb enough to lose pirate faction battleships to NPCs?

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Razin
The Scope
#74 - 2012-03-25 20:35:41 UTC
Zircon Dasher wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Zircon Dasher wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Hopefully high sec incursions will no longer be the risk-free isk faucet they are today. Lucky we got a decent CSM to deal with the issue.


So you think CCP is going to mandate players shoot each other to gain the incursion rewards??

Would be interesting


I don't really care about the mechanics but people shouldn't be able to make that much isk in a risk-free environment.


CCP should be forced to provide risk in EVE. Since highsec is risk free we obviously cannot leave it up to the players themselves.

Sandboxes are dumb amirite?

It would be pretty simple to allow for risk and keep the sandbox: lower the SS of the empire incursion systems to below 0.5.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#75 - 2012-03-25 20:36:45 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Ladie Harlot wrote:

If you've been to lowsec then you should understand the difference between risk in lowsec and "risk" in highsec.



Of course there is diffferent risk gotta keep eyes out on local numbers all the time for one. It is different risk but it is still risk. lo & null didn't have the aggro mechanics problems that hi sec had for ahile either & that too carried alot of risk until we were forced to create 'ban lists' which I hate or the rules against peeps war decked in fleet WHICH I ESPECIALLY HATE
The summer change in wardecking is going to be VERY interesting in what it does to incursion FC's that's for sure


On my kill board you have to go very far back to see the last Harbi I had that died in a lo sec incursion. Most my deaths lately been from moving from pocket to pocket incursions in NULL in co op ships stuck in bubbles surrounded by cans i think but I would have to check to be sure.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Aedin Dallocort
Doomheim
#76 - 2012-03-25 20:42:52 UTC
Congrats to Ladie Harlot for hijacking another thread. Is it possible that the goons are threatened by hi sec incursions? Is it possible that hi sec incursions prevent goons from monopolizing isk faucets? Why is it that they're so butt hurt over this topic? Goon tears are best tears - I hope your make-up is water proof, Ladie Harlot. Also, if you cried less, your cheeks might not be quite so puffy.

Oh, some version of some the ideas in the incursion suggestion post will be implemented. Also, some of them will be dismissed. Thats my prediction, for what its worth.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#77 - 2012-03-25 20:43:34 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Since when do people post deaths by rats on public killboards?

Where is this magical public killboard that shows the bhaalgorn ship death I had about a month ago in an Assault?

Since when is this game balanced around people dumb enough to lose pirate faction battleships to NPCs?



lol strawman arguement anyone? lol reason you can't find kill board deaths in incursions is because rats don't post to battle clinic :) 
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#78 - 2012-03-25 20:44:41 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Of course there is diffferent risk gotta keep eyes out on local numbers all the time for one. It is different risk but it is still risk. lo & null didn't have the aggro mechanics problems that hi sec had for ahile either & that too carried alot of risk until we were forced to create 'ban lists' which I hate or the rules against peeps war decked in fleet WHICH I ESPECIALLY HATE
The summer change in wardecking is going to be VERY interesting in what it does to incursion FC's that's for sure

Aggro mechanics problems? Yeah you're right, in low sec and null sec it's really hard to stop concord from... OH WAIT NO.

And war decs? That isn't risk, I had tonnes of active war decs when I was running incursions, I created a 0 tax alt corp especially for hopping into to run them. (It also helps that my main corp was banned from BTL Pub, so corp hopping was necessary)

Nothing that you're coming up with is even remotely risky. Dying to NPCs, really? I'm just gonna copy pasta what I said earlier:

Simi Kusoni wrote:
Why do the number of ship/pod kills in incursion systems not differ from the surrounding areas?

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#79 - 2012-03-25 20:47:30 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Since when is this game balanced around people dumb enough to lose pirate faction battleships to NPCs?

lol strawman arguement anyone? lol reason you can't find kill board deaths in incursions is because rats don't post to battle clinic :)

How is that a straw man argument? This game should not be balanced around the lowest common denominators, ignoring the fact that losing ships to incursion rats is extremely rare anyway, it is at the very least extremely rare for players with any experience.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#80 - 2012-03-25 20:48:00 UTC
Aedin Dallocort wrote:
Congrats to Ladie Harlot for hijacking another thread. Is it possible that the goons are threatened by hi sec incursions? Is it possible that hi sec incursions prevent goons from monopolizing isk faucets?


Nah goons have alot of alts that are doing hi sec incursions. Occasionally a few mains too. ( haven't seen one lately TBH )
Last I heard from the CEO of goons was he liked incursions mostly because unlike missions they are pretty much unbottable.
Ladie is just a goon being a goon sometimes ( more often then not like andski ) I guess I should feed the trolls but so,etimes I need a break from all therisk FCing incursions so I post here Big smilePSmile
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'