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Hello MD, I am in need of some additional capital in order to see increased returns from my manufacturing lines.

Basics

A little about my history, I've primarily been in the station trading game since I've started playing EvE. I was able to turn 15m or so into 750m purely by station trading, and in very little ingame time. I was seeing daily returns of 15-25% initially, but have realised that with station trading, diminishing returns are inevitable, and I'm not content with a 10-15% return any longer.

I have since moved into the manufacturing business (although it took me a while to find my feet, as I have just returned), and currently sitting on 18% margin on several items. However, as most of you know, unlike trading which usually has diminishing returns, manufacturing relies on increased returns proportionate to the invested capital, which I am lacking at the moment.

The Goal

With your investment, I can rapidly expand my production, as all of my ISK is constantly tied up into just a few production slots., not to mention having to lose ISK making hours as I wait for goods to be hauled. With an investment, I will be able to fill many more of my slots, and rapidly expand, with my rate of returns becoming far more lucrative again. Potentially I should be able to pay off the full bond within 2 weeks. However, I set the bond to 30 days to allow time for things such as courier contracts going wrong/taking a long time, or having to sit on my stock during a brief slump. (My items are demand inelastic, it's very unlikely they'll crash, they just tend to fluctuate.) I do however, have several items I could simply switch over to if needs must.

The Risks

Honestly, if I had anything worthy of being collateral I'd probably just temporarily liquidate it in order to cover my required capital, but unfortunately I do not. All of my ISK is tied up in materials for this project, so the bond will have to be uncollateralized. Because of this, I think a 10% interest rate should be acceptable to a potential investor, but I will also do some other things to reduce the risk for you.

- I will be more than willing to do weekly payments of 25% of your initial investment + 2.5% interest
- I will provide some form of access to my API key.
- If from my API key, you feel I am not reaching acceptable levels of return in order to repay the bond, I will be willing to allow you to cash out of the bond in full (interest will be paid for each week bond was filled) within 3 days notice.
- If *I* personally feel my returns are not acceptable from my manufacturing project, I will simply go back to station trading, where a 10-15% return will be more than adequate to allow me to repay the bond in full.

The Terms

- 10 x 100M bonds.
- 21 days after the bond has started, I ask for the right to be able pay the investments off in full early, including the full 10% interest.
- My API key provided will not be able to give you complete access, as letting numerous people know of my business plan can only be bad for business. But it's a negotiable point that we can work out.
- Start Date: 27th March
- End Date: 26th April

Any questions feel free to ask or contact me in-game.

Bond has now been filled.

-Tekota - 500M (Received)
-Ambrani - 400M (Received)
- Zilent Eonar - 100M (Received)

My returns should allow me to pay 27.5% a week comfortably whilst still heavily ramming up production. I know what you mean about the whole once you have the money you could just scam it in the first week, making weekly payments pointless thing, but after lurking on these forums for a while, I've personally felt that investors are a bit more open to weekly payments, as they see quicker returns, putting them more at ease. (Seems to be true for newer investors) It's also slightly beneficial to me, as I have weekly payment targets to keep me in check.

Fair enough, thanks for the input.

Great! the start date is planned for the 27th.

I'll bite, 100mil is on the low end for me but if you're true to your word, maybe later on you will be a much more common person on the Marketing Board willing to create bigger deals! :) I'll send you 100mil when I get on later today.

It might be worth checking that you're not accepting stolen cash. Taking investments from scammer/defaulter with outstanding debts may not be the best thing for your image as someone starting out.

I had a small bond three years ago, I stopped playing the game due to real life constraints. Not one of the former shareholders have responded to my in-game mails (bar one, that I'm talking with), in order for me to sort out a fair repayment. The profit I made from Zyd alone yesterday would cover it entirely.

I think as an investee rather than an investor, it's not my place to insert my personal opinion on such things and is something left to the appropriate parties to work out. Also, needless to say as an investee I would never know the full story of something that took place three years ago.

Although of course if a public scammer did want to invest, I would be opposed to it.

I have plenty of untainted ISK, given the amount of PLEX I recently bought in order to raise some more capital (mostly to jump on the Zydrine bandwagon). I am waiting on a response in case of the following.

1. They no longer play the game, in which case the ISK (+50%) will be given to one of the charity funds in operation.

2. They are owed interest, I'd like to determine how much.

As far as I'm aware, you don't happen to be a parent of mine, do you? Good, you'll be happy to know how much I prioritize your advice then (not very highly). Are you owed anything? Have I ever done business with you? Not as far as I'm aware. You're more than welcome to avoid me like the plague and stay away from me, but claiming people were scammed and that my entire wallet is tainted is pretty laughable.

If you have a problem with me, feel free to take it up with me in private; we do not need to further detract from Resiin's thread, you could have even messaged him in order to prevent his thread being cluttered. Did you think of that though? No, you didn't. For the record, I'll be ignoring further public communication from you - but you are welcome to try and attempt to approach me in private to discuss this further.

I also suggest you pick up a dictionary and look up the definitions of the terms "stolen" and "scam". Someone who defaults on a debt, without the express prior intention of doing so (for a number of reasons), such as not being able to pay your phone bill - is not stealing service from the company (by the very legal definition of it), nor are they scamming the company. Throwing words around in an attempt to make someone look bad is pretty laughable though, at least use the right terminology in future.

Edit: To the OP, my apologies - I did not intend for this thread to degenerate, I started writing this (and posted it), before seeing your latest post. If you still want my ISK, it's there for you.

Will you please respect the wishes of the OP and keep this out of this thread, you are welcome to approach me in private.

Edit: Though one thing, referring to Until you repay it, all your isk will be tainted as there is no division in the wallet between 'stolen' and 'not stolen'. - separate wallet divisions and characters kind of helps to divide! Also, your continued usage of the words "stolen" and "scam" are making me laugh quite a lot. I do hope you PM me so I can further laugh.