EVE General Discussion

What do you care? You are a spy alt. You WANT people away from caldari militia.

Seriously, Damar. Do not derail discussions or try to shut someone up because you don't like them in-game. When we're here, in a public forum, disussing the future of a feature that is on the operating table bleeding out, there isn't any time for name-calling and factional bickering.

We're all militia pilots, with a vested interest in making sure we're heard loud and clear during what small window we have before CCP dumps everything on Tranquility in May. I can not emphasize this enough, everyone. We need to be very specific in addressing the changes CCP has offered at Fan Fest, because discussing directions for the feature that differ wildly from what is on the table are at this point a waste of time.

We need to be discussing cynos, infrastructure, LP payouts, Militia Tab UI improvements, and Station lockouts. Oh, and some silly business involving datacores. THIS is what is what we need to chime in about, because that is where they've already invested some time and resources and will likely hover around those topics moving forward. We can shape them, at very least, or block the worst of them, but coming up with wild new "what if's" at this point just don't serve us well.

Let's keep it grounded and respectful everyone, and not let in-game drama bleed into this. If you're in Faction Warfare, consider how these changes affect neutrals in our area. If you're not involved in Faction Warfare at the moment (and haven't been) respect those of us that DO participate in the feature and our right to protect something that is the very reason we play the game.

I'll have more to say soon, but for now we need to keep the feedback stacking up. Tell for your friends and corpmates to get onto the forums, even if they haven't before, and speak up.

Also, start sending me mail. If you've written a page of text, don't just post it here, send me an Evemail. It helps with my organization and I'm beginning to gather notes now that I'm elected and can filter this to the developers much more efficiently.

Thanks everyone for all your help! I'm going to need it if we're going to help make sure this is done right.

Just one player's opinion (and a relatively new one's at that):

Much of the fun of faction warfare is infiltrating enemy space, and getting back out alive (or not -- lol). Being able to simply dock up in enemy systems like it's any old system is incredibly lame and takes much of the fun out of it. I'm looking forward to docking up in enemy space being made an impossibility.

Yes. And it would be awesome if gallente players would treat is as such instead of resorting to behavior mentioned and then saying they don't take the game at all seriously and are in it for the fun, when everything proves the opposite. And that it is Caldari's fault all along.

Its not really enemy space. Its part of the warzone where whose space it will be is up for grabs. Even concord steps back and allows us to fight over it. The stations that allow us to dock are simply agreeing with concords rules.

But I see you are a new player indeed. Let me say that this is how it is sov null sec and there are numerous reasons lots of players don't want that same stuff everywhere in the game. If this is a big issue for you there are lots of null sec corps that are new player friendly. Test alliance is one Space monkey alliance is another and I am sure there are many more. Look into it.

If fast combat where you can quickly reship and get back into fights at several places in the war front is not for you then fw may not be a good fit.

I got the impression that while they're "on schedule", FW is going to be a slow iterative process one step at a time, with evaluation of how players react to it between steps. It's a little bit deeper in the interview.

I'm all for the banning of people docking in enemy stations. Plays out more strategically, if you do get your ships locked in it opens up a whole new area of Courier contracts/shady deals/fire sales as well as giving a reason to actually fight back

What I'm interested to know is say there is a Transtellar Shipping station in Caldari owned black rise, would we still be able to dock there, as it is a Gallente station. If so that could add a whole new dynamic of outposts in hostile space we could use. Allowing both races to dock in these stations (as they can hardly stop the Caldari docking there) could lead to potential new trade points and flash points.

I want to be clear that not docking in stations is not the only consequences available here. And I'm honestly not sure how I feel about no docking in stations.

To respond in like :

While I agree that not docking in stations is a form of consequences proposed, it isn't the only form of consequences proposed by PVP :

1 The ability to decide where you want to hit aggressively
2 The chance to make LP for making PVP kills in FW
3 How you want to upgrade a system
4 The ability to activate a Cyno Jammer (I'm not a big fan of this one)
5 The ability to put LP into a pool and get bonuses and perks for putting that LP in, etc.

My responses to the "fight clubbers" were focused at making the point that focusing explicitly on Fight Club mechanics and then kicking and stomping the CCP is going to ruin their gameplay is selfish and short-sighted.

It's like telling a child "I'm going to take this cookie away, but I"m going to take you to the candy store" and then they insist on grabbing onto the cookie for dear life. Same exact mechanic going on here.

I think the FW guys need to think LONG and HARD on what they want from this system being proposed, and give a solid response, especially given you now have a CSM representative on the field.

At which point, I'd like to congratulate Hans on a CSM position!

Great job mate. I'm sure you're going to really do a great job out there.

again you just prove you have no concept of what my motivations are. I couldn't give 2 hoots about LP. i currently have about 85k loyalty points in the bank. I couldn't care less about how LP is given out except in terms of how it will generate fights.

all the LP I've earned is by running mission fleets to get few boobs some standings and isk rolling in. so seriously, just stfu because you don't even know who I am or what we do. you want to log in and undock and participate in fw more than once or twice a week and tell me about me, great. 79 odd kills to your name, its obvious you're not a pvp guy. great, but don't go making out you're some fw expert. half of us on comms have never even seen you before. still, its good for a laugh.

I don't hate 0.0 at all. its just that for roaming pvp there is little reward for the risk, basically because of the mechanics being discussed by ccp as the fixes for fw. all the benefits go to the people who play and pay eve as a job.

also I care about fw quite a bit. I break my bank for the corp, Amarr and the militia in that order. which if you were ever in space, you would know.

i think I have played station games, twice in 8 years. but again you wouldn't know. in my fleets there is even "no camping stations" rules. ask around.

there is a clear direction that I could argue if I wanted to make fw better for me. what I propose isn't best for me at all, but I genuinely think it would be best for fw based on you know, actually being part of it actively.

you really have to stop being so personal and offended. its just words, and let's face it. ccp only listen if 50k people unsub, so you're going to get your way anyway. hell maybe I'll be proved wrong and it'll be happy days.

edit: oh sorry its just been pointed out to me that you're a bit of forum warrior. that's probably why you're getting all personal because your epeen had been threatened. sorry, I usually only come to the forums for a laugh our to try to make the game better in some way. sorry Hans, our new csm overlord. I will try to be good now.

edit while i fix the tablet typos (i've been sitting on a tour bus going around iceland last 7 hours): bring back the 60 vs 60 bs fights i say! btw where are the other fw guys. they should be all over this thread? i'd even listen to the ideas of a few active mim pilots.

Sounds like a good idea, but what is to stop PL joining up and keeping their cyno lit 24x7? Or can it only be activated for a short period, limited times per day?


Would impact the tempo a little yes, but would add a more warlike feeling to the combat. You'd need supply lines set up, critical locations you have to defend and critical enemy locations to try and take. Getting rid of 'station games' can only been seen as a good thing imo.


Perhaps there should be some sort of incentives created for the losing side? Perhaps they get more LP from player kills? That sort of thing?


Awesome :)


That might "fix" the problems you guys are seeing with FW but is it going to invigorate it and get people excited in it again? It's WAR! It's supposed be dramatic, filled with effort, heartache and exhilaration. If those changes just end up with the same numbers of people feeling a bit happier and being a bit richer, it hasn't really fixed anything.

I love the idea of FW tbh. I'd love to take part in the story, fight for a cause, be part of a large militia with a mission, but right now? It's just what I'm doing now in low sec, but with no gate aggression tactics (which are fun), sec status worries and a bunch of plexes which aren't very exciting. You'd only see me running them for money, which isn't very "warrior of the militia" like!