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Could a Frigate and/or Cruiser class ship fly & land on a planet?
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Adacia Calla
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-03-22 21:26:19 UTC
I read something years ago that our ships cannot handle atmospheric flight because of something to do with either the engines or how the hulls are designed.

I'll try to find it....

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Skorpynekomimi
#22 - 2012-03-22 21:50:42 UTC
Alberik wrote:
Murisha wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
i just imagined a rupture 'landing' on a planet, then slowly falling over and exploding like a stranded whale.


Yes. Just like a whale. It's what whales do


exploding or stranding? watched once how they cut a week dead stranded whale into pieces in a harbor .. very stinky thing btw.

there have to be ships able to land.
the first refinery and the first ship array had to be build with a planet as base. or other way round (as the eve universe was settled from space) there must be a way to bring settlers down to the planets surfaces (which could be performed by a pure tritanium ship .. it will burn while landing so better leave soon).

after all there is a courier mission including arctic warfare marines, wich i dont think are arctic warfare space marines. while they can be grown up on stations their destination is pretty sure on planets with some cold weather



Space development was lost and regained. So, the initial space exploitation stuff would have been done with planetary materials.
Then you'd have specific surface-capable craft. Mainly because you need obscene amounts of thrust, space-wise, to escape gravity wells.

As for 'no thrusters pointing down'... Land the ship on it's arse, then. The Rupture would maybe balance like that. Some other ships, maaaaybe not.

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Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-03-23 10:21:36 UTC
Crellion wrote:
The answers including physics and science reasons why not are plain funny given how eve works (random loud space game with submarine physics bar collisions).


Except no, they're not funny, because we're quoting EVE Physics not real life Physics. You would actually have a point then.

Particularly the cheaper materials used in ship manufacturing break up or flat out ignite in atmosphere. It has nothing to do with our science but what's written in the game.

Hence, 'lore'.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#24 - 2012-03-23 20:10:12 UTC
The answer is simple. No.


Tritainium (the main component of all ship hulls) explodes in oxygen. So unless the planet was sufficiently devoid of oxygen in its atmosphere (at which point landing is pointless...), the ship would explode before it could touch down.
Voidfinger
Malevelon Haven
#25 - 2012-03-24 00:23:28 UTC
Fictional game so I'll say yes. I had a crazy dream the other night anyway. In the dream it was kind of Dust like (I just got finished reading Templar 1) and basically I was fighting my ass off and the clouds pulled back and a Phoenix dropped through the clouds with massive thrusters blasting off and spouting missiles like a fire breathing angel of the heavens. Woke up from that dream like "Damn, that is sick"

Though, Templar 1 stated that the Revelation was coming down through the atmosphere and only lost control when it was hit an extreme amounts of times. Then when the capsule pilot had the Gallente Dread doing the same thing ... just saying
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-03-25 03:43:39 UTC
if tritanium catches fire in oxygen, then how does a ship have life support without combusting?

WAKE UP PEOPLE

IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY BY AMARRIAN PRIESTS.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#27 - 2012-03-25 04:50:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Baneken
Voidfinger wrote:
Fictional game so I'll say yes. I had a crazy dream the other night anyway. In the dream it was kind of Dust like (I just got finished reading Templar 1) and basically I was fighting my ass off and the clouds pulled back and a Phoenix dropped through the clouds with massive thrusters blasting off and spouting missiles like a fire breathing angel of the heavens. Woke up from that dream like "Damn, that is sick"

Though, Templar 1 stated that the Revelation was coming down through the atmosphere and only lost control when it was hit an extreme amounts of times. Then when the capsule pilot had the Gallente Dread doing the same thing ... just saying


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIniweFOthM doesn't miss much from lading atmosphere part. Cool

edit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNSSA8rerJ4&feature=related wind to 1:30 for galactica can't seem to find a one without crappy music on top oh well : /
Voidfinger
Malevelon Haven
#28 - 2012-03-25 07:59:16 UTC
Baneken wrote:
Voidfinger wrote:
Fictional game so I'll say yes. I had a crazy dream the other night anyway. In the dream it was kind of Dust like (I just got finished reading Templar 1) and basically I was fighting my ass off and the clouds pulled back and a Phoenix dropped through the clouds with massive thrusters blasting off and spouting missiles like a fire breathing angel of the heavens. Woke up from that dream like "Damn, that is sick"

Though, Templar 1 stated that the Revelation was coming down through the atmosphere and only lost control when it was hit an extreme amounts of times. Then when the capsule pilot had the Gallente Dread doing the same thing ... just saying


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIniweFOthM doesn't miss much from lading atmosphere part. Cool

edit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNSSA8rerJ4&feature=related wind to 1:30 for galactica can't seem to find a one without crappy music on top oh well : /


Oh man that was pretty cool! kinda like that but slower more controlled and a lot bigger bigger bigger :)
Jax Slizard
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-03-25 13:48:47 UTC
The escape velocity of earth is about 11 km/s at the surface. While Eve physics is wonky (as ships don't just keep accelerating forever in a vacuum,) you could just assume that any ship that could achieve a velocity greater than the escape velocity of whatever planet it lands on could take off, assuming that gravity didn't crush the ship like a bug (which it shouldn't, considering the weapon hits they take.)

Or, you could actually look at some values of ships and mods....
Mass of Executioner: 1124000 kg
Acceleration due to gravity of a roughly Earth-sized planet: 10m/s^2
Afterburner thrust (1MN ): 1500000 newtons (=1500000kg*m/s^2)
Assuming that the 112.5% of max speed actually represents the percentage of thrust an afterburner gives being 12.5:
Thrust: 1500000/12.5*100=12000000


Force down = Mass*Acceleration = 11240000
Force up = Thrust = 12000000

Net force up = 760000

Acceleration up = .67
Accel with AB running = 2
An executioner could barely take off under its own power, or easily with an AB.

How about a Rupture?
Mass of Rupture: 11650000
Gravity: 10
AB (10MN): 15000000
Derived Thrust: 120000000
Net force: 3500000
Acceleration: .3

A Rupture could still make it.


A Raven?
Mass: 99,300,000
Gravity: 10
AB (100MN): 150000000
Derived Thrust: 1200000000
Net Force= 873000000
Acceleration: 2.1
Apparently, a battleship could make it as easily as a ABing frigate.

The idea is flawed, I admit, as its abusing at least one concrete assumption (the basic afterburner representing 12.5% of the actual thrust of the ship and using that number across the board,) and several others (like the numbers assigned to ship mass ect. are roleplay-accurate, and not just for game balance, and that all planets are more or less Earth-sized) However, if you want a mental justification for whether or not ships can take off of Earth-like planets, there you go.
Dyniss
KarmaFleet University
#30 - 2012-03-26 11:37:53 UTC
when a ship enters the atmosphere this is what happens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h02a2HSB58M&feature=related
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