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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3861 - 2012-03-25 04:47:40 UTC
The OP has openly insulted CCP developers in this thread for working on something other than WiS.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3862 - 2012-03-25 04:57:04 UTC
Issler, since you are the voice for WiS on the CSM, I hope you can find it in your heart to show your support (no pun intended) for THIS idea.

Big smile PLEASE?! Big smile

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3863 - 2012-03-25 05:16:44 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Issler, since you are the voice for WiS on the CSM, I hope you can find it in your heart to show your support (no pun intended) for THIS idea.

Big smile PLEASE?! Big smile


Finally somebody has found a good use for the avatar engine.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#3864 - 2012-03-25 06:01:10 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Issler, since you are the voice for WiS on the CSM, I hope you can find it in your heart to show your support (no pun intended) for THIS idea.

Big smile PLEASE?! Big smile


So more realistic character physics. I'd say a goal way down the road (way way way way down). Sure.

But I can't imagine worrying about that until we have a LOT more on the other side of the door to enjoy.

Issler
Ai Shun
#3865 - 2012-03-25 07:11:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ai Shun
Ladie Harlot wrote:
The OP has openly insulted CCP developers in this thread for working on something other than WiS.


Knowing you that is probably drawn ludicrously out of context. I mean, you have accused me of wanting them to prioritise WiS over FiS. You have told people they are after emotes only. You basically lie and pull anything and everything out of context.

So - can you link the post where this allegedly happened, please? If I agree with that, I will edit my post to remove the OP's name from that and remove her from my list of WiS, but not at the cost of FiS players.
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
#3866 - 2012-03-25 07:23:25 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
The OP has openly insulted CCP developers in this thread for working on something other than WiS.


Knowing you that is probably drawn ludicrously out of context. I mean, you have accused me of wanting them to prioritise WiS over FiS. You have told people they are after emotes only. You basically lie and pull anything and everything out of context.

So - can you link the post where this allegedly happened, please? If I agree with that, I will edit my post to remove the OP's name from that and remove her from my list of WiS, but not at the cost of FiS players.


...where is this list and am i on it? Because I would like to be por favor.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3867 - 2012-03-25 07:32:14 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
The OP has openly insulted CCP developers in this thread for working on something other than WiS.


Knowing you that is probably drawn ludicrously out of context. I mean, you have accused me of wanting them to prioritise WiS over FiS. You have told people they are after emotes only. You basically lie and pull anything and everything out of context.

So - can you link the post where this allegedly happened, please? If I agree with that, I will edit my post to remove the OP's name from that and remove her from my list of WiS, but not at the cost of FiS players.


Issler's post

CCP karkur's hurt feelingsCry


The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Ai Shun
#3868 - 2012-03-25 08:42:31 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Issler's post


Issler wrote:
This was exactly my fear. CCP, you need to realize you are hurting the future of your game and you need to start to be more honest with the players. One and a fraction people can't get anything useful done for ambulation. This now clearly looks to be just another PR stunt.

CCP, take ambulation seriously and open that door!


Seriously, Ladie Harlot? Now I know you are just trolling.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3869 - 2012-03-25 12:03:25 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
The OP has openly insulted CCP developers in this thread for working on something other than WiS.


Knowing you that is probably drawn ludicrously out of context. I mean, you have accused me of wanting them to prioritise WiS over FiS. You have told people they are after emotes only. You basically lie and pull anything and everything out of context.

So - can you link the post where this allegedly happened, please? If I agree with that, I will edit my post to remove the OP's name from that and remove her from my list of WiS, but not at the cost of FiS players.


Issler's post

CCP karkur's hurt feelingsCry






Lol little tool ,Karkur felt misunderstood when somebody mentioned this :


Quote:
I was talking about percentage in that post.
Look at what they did...
Team Avatar is working on WiS with about 1/3 of their time
5 ppl are in team, 1 is QA, so 4 persons are developing.
1/3 of 4 is 1,33.
1,33 devs are actually working on WiS... XD
thats so sad that its funny



A lot she did in her own time is moved to TA ,as if TA did it all
If there are more like her at ccp, those people should have a new forum tag

CCP Karkur would be CCPG Karkur


G = Golden Employee

R.S.I2014
Carola Kessler
Lost Sisters Of New Eden
#3870 - 2012-03-25 12:56:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Carola Kessler
CCP karkur wrote:
wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking.
I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way Sad



I'm so sorry seeing a hard working Dev beeing sad cause all the work and efforts and time he has spend it gets hard knocked down by the Big loud crying FiS fraction of the players.......tbh...it's sad to see that most players still can't see the possible goods, features, Challenges and other stuff can get implemented with WiS in the future over time also remember there is still and has to be changes for the whole games if this doesn't happens stagnation would occour and whit this happen the game would go slowly down and finally die.

I think most the fear from the older Veterans and Hardcore Eve players ARE changes which WiS will bring to their stupidly followed gameplay e.g. shooting each other again and again and over again just for the sake of Destroying each other and the so called 'fun' of it.

Remember guys, YOU aren't the only ones playing Eve, there are others which aren't interessted in those activitys at all, so there are still RPers in game would WiS getting fully working and well done implemtented appreciate.

I'm not RPer but i like somehow beeing a person ( Avatar ) able to leave the Capsule to walk around and meet other players at some day in the station eye in eye rather then starring still on the Chatwindow with static pictures to watch.

Anyways CCP Karkur i'm feeling with you and hope you can get at some day back to your work and impress at some day all those which were hammering you with insults and other badly worded Comments with a FUlly working and representative WiS which will get them finally to shut up and accept only changes make a game better over time not the still following old ways until everything gets boring.

Sincerly

Carola Kessler Smile
Taiwanistan
#3871 - 2012-03-25 13:27:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Taiwanistan
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Issler, since you are the voice for WiS on the CSM, I hope you can find it in your heart to show your support (no pun intended) for THIS idea.

Big smile PLEASE?! Big smile

Issler, now is the time for you to show that you will be a contributing member of the csm despite being previously labeled as a joke candidate. it is literally like whack-a-mole with these lisping emote /dance otaku freaks, there are too many of them i can't rebuke them all. just look at all them freaks coming out pining for you to support their frivolous desires.

after watching the streams of FF i've changed my mind about combat in wis. i've concluded that it is only in space where meaningful loss can be inflicted. i am not particularly interested in EVE having a "die a thousand deaths with little consequences" shooter game, after all that is what Dust is for. i've concluded meaningful gameplay and content for wis lies in industry and trade. for starters npc trade goods like (eg. vaccines and small arms) could use a complete revamp, place them into the players' hands. i don't know how wis will be but i sure as hell can tell you what it shall not be.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3872 - 2012-03-25 13:57:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Issler Dainze wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Issler, since you are the voice for WiS on the CSM, I hope you can find it in your heart to show your support (no pun intended) for THIS idea.

Big smile PLEASE?! Big smile


So more realistic character physics. I'd say a goal way down the road (way way way way down). Sure.

But I can't imagine worrying about that until we have a LOT more on the other side of the door to enjoy.

Issler


Oh of course! I figure it is like the Dead Horse POS thread though...Gotta get it up early so it can be done 6 years from now.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3873 - 2012-03-25 15:32:34 UTC
Doh, i just read that CCP torfitrans mentioned that WiS could be something like exploring sleeper stations for treasury... as there is no video of the Art keynote I can't tell exactly what he said, but I seriously hope they come up with something better than turning WiS into wormhole-only content. Ugh

Just to make a point clear, WiS gameplay must provide endgame content for hiseccers, something you CAN and WANT to fly a seriously invested (in time, ISK and SP) ship into. Something like what used to be Level 5 missions before they exiled them to cheapo-frigate land.

My irony gland would litherally poison me if after all WiS became just another stupid bait to lure hisec players into the fangs of PvP scoundrel...
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3874 - 2012-03-25 15:46:06 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


Apparently all who waited for WiS as a source of alternate gameplay just will have to wait for a couple years... maybe then it's going to be worth resubbing to EVE.

Meanwhile, as my signature used to say... without no WiS, no new solo content, no new causal content, no hisec endgame... I will not be paying for this game.


Curious if you still feel this way?
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3875 - 2012-03-25 15:57:07 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


Apparently all who waited for WiS as a source of alternate gameplay just will have to wait for a couple years... maybe then it's going to be worth resubbing to EVE.

Meanwhile, as my signature used to say... without no WiS, no new solo content, no new causal content, no hisec endgame... I will not be paying for this game.


Curious if you still feel this way?


Completely. I haven't played EVE since november & would had quit after Crucible if weren't that i got this alt account paid for until late april.
Mukuro Gravedigger
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3876 - 2012-03-25 16:00:15 UTC
Liu Ellens wrote:
...ok, I'm doing the dangerous jump into a nearly 200 pages thread about one of the most heated discussions around lately. But I was one of the about 20 people to sit in the "Avatars and Character Creator" round-table today, so, a few tidbits I can share.

(Snipped the round table discussion and ideas.)


Good stuff mentioned in that piece! By chance Liu Ellens, was there any mention about Aurem, much less microtransactions being a part of the future? Or any plans to make the various items purchased through the Nex store a part of the player created market?
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3877 - 2012-03-25 16:49:12 UTC
Mukuro Gravedigger wrote:
Liu Ellens wrote:
...ok, I'm doing the dangerous jump into a nearly 200 pages thread about one of the most heated discussions around lately. But I was one of the about 20 people to sit in the "Avatars and Character Creator" round-table today, so, a few tidbits I can share.

(Snipped the round table discussion and ideas.)


Good stuff mentioned in that piece! By chance Liu Ellens, was there any mention about Aurem, much less microtransactions being a part of the future? Or any plans to make the various items purchased through the Nex store a part of the player created market?


Source? So we can, huh, like read it?
Mukuro Gravedigger
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3878 - 2012-03-25 17:00:21 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Source? So we can, huh, like read it?

One page back, post number 3890 -

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=993301#post993301
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3879 - 2012-03-25 17:08:06 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Issler's post


Issler wrote:
This was exactly my fear. CCP, you need to realize you are hurting the future of your game and you need to start to be more honest with the players. One and a fraction people can't get anything useful done for ambulation. This now clearly looks to be just another PR stunt.

CCP, take ambulation seriously and open that door!


Seriously, Ladie Harlot? Now I know you are just trolling.


And now you see why I lump you all together.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3880 - 2012-03-25 17:50:44 UTC
Liu Ellens wrote:


Out-Of-Pod Gameplay:

  • CCP has taken two steps back and they are now prototyping on gameplay, using quick prototypes that can be created and thrown away in a matter of days or few weeks. Message: "Instead of creating art as early as possible and see what we can do with it, we first iterate on gameplay ideas and add art later".
  • Whatever it will be, it is meant to do or be something 'additional' - not 'instead' of the current experience
  • Prototyping is done with the Unity engine
  • We were shown a 'playable' prototype of gray boxes running around in similar gray corridors
  • Current prominent idea: Be the explorer type, fly to some scanned site, get out of pod and run through corridors of an abandoned station. (Side question: what happens when blown up - Mind transfer? Answer: Think DUST mercenary tech, also available for capsuleers)
  • Kicked off into discussion about boarding POS. Question for thoughts was raised: When you allow a capsuleer to mess with the station someone is in - how can (should be) the one in station be able to mess the capsuleer up? (I am most probably not using the same words to recite, but hopefully the idea)




Thanks for taking the time to write this up.

I can't say I'm surprised to hear that basically nothing will be done with walk in stations but that doesn't stop me from being disappointed.

What makes things worse is that CCP are continuing to release CGI trailers that do not represent the game. The latest on looks amazing but that isn't the game we all know. I mean, why drum up excitement by showing us videos of pilots leaving their ships and exploring sleeper sites if that type of gamplay is so far off?! Then when people buy into the idea and want to know how it's coming along, we're told that the feature only has a skeleton crew working on pointless thinks like sleeve tattoos at the moment...

I give up.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...