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PvE boat that's better than a BS, but is subpar to a Tengu
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Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-03-25 09:19:48 UTC
[Loki, New Setup 1]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 100MN Afterburner I
Dread Guristas Medium Shield Booster
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400
Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Offensive - Hardpoint Efficiency Configuration
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Hammerhead II x4
Warrior II x4
Warrior II x1


647 DPS without implants, 670 DPS with CX-1, MX-1 and a ZMH1000 implants. Top speed of over 1500 m/s, cap stable with the booster on, and can tank 266 DPS from Serpentis rats with those hardeners.

More exxy than a Sleip, cheaper than a faction BS though :) You can target your far away enemies and shove a missile up their tailpipes while shooting down frigs and cruisers orbiting in close around you. Or just speed tank everything and lol at them.

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ceyriot
Empyrean Academy
Empyrean Edict
#22 - 2012-03-25 11:00:08 UTC
Ameron Phinard wrote:
Nighthawk? It can do 600 dps with a 225 dps omni (80% resists) tank if you have BC5 trained.
Excuse me if I'm wrong, but don't you need BC5 to fly a nighthawk?

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Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#23 - 2012-03-25 11:50:49 UTC
ceyriot wrote:
Ameron Phinard wrote:
Nighthawk? It can do 600 dps with a 225 dps omni (80% resists) tank if you have BC5 trained.
Excuse me if I'm wrong, but don't you need BC5 to fly a nighthawk?



You do, that's why EFT warriors should never post.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-03-25 12:07:02 UTC
Alliria Seedspawn wrote:
This is NOT another "Tengu or X" thread. I know the Tengu is superior, which is why I DON'T want it...

I've been on the proverbial fence about getting a Tengu for high sec missions, but haven't actually pulled the trigger on it as it just seemed...I don't know. I just couldn't ever take the final step of buying one even though I can fly one. Last night I was running 4's with a corpie who has a Tengu, and it seemed like by the time my BS had locked onto them, the Tengu had taken them out or damn near. Wow! Pushed me right off the fence and I decided to buy one. But the more that I think about it now, the more it seems like the Tengu is just super easy mode, which I don't want. I'm not looking to blitz missions or maximize the isk / hour. I like to take my time and slowly eat away at the tank of the NPC's. But I wouldn't mind upgrading to a different ship as well.

Enter the Legion. I'm well aware that the Legion is thought to be subpar to the Tengu for PvE, but that's what I'm looking for. My concern though, is that I haven't seen much discussion about the effectiveness of the Legion for PvE. Everyone just says "Tengu Tengu Tengu". I'm hoping the Legion would be less effective at 4's than the Tengu, but more effective than my Rokh / Abaddon.

Am I right? Is there a different ship you'd suggest instead? Nightmare looks intriguing, but I don't know anything about it except it's lasers, expensive, and incursions. I thought about the Golem, but missiles / torps also seem like easy mode to me (thus the Rokh as opposed to CNR or SNI).

Thanks folks.


Well, Tengu is not "easy mode" as it seems.
Actually if you take a very close look and play a little bit with EFT you WILL figure out that you need a hell of 5's set to make it shine. Put aside the pimpy fits and the obvious 100mn AB that shouldn't be possible, and see it as versatile ship as you are in full right to expect from a T3 with such skill set training needs to use it at full potential.
The problem is that CCP couldn't make the other T3 ships be that versatile, and that IS why everyone thinks Tengu is OP.
It isn't, Try it with low/med skill set and you'll figure out it's a crap ship.

Back on track, Nighthawk is good , Astarte is a very good ship too now, but actually I don't understand why you can't go that fast with your battleship, Roch forget it atm but Abbadon should be very good.
I can make my Navy Mega kill crap really really fast, c'mon I can't 3 volley a BS with my tengu but I can one shot cruisers battlecruisers and 3/4 shot BS with that awesome Navy Mega.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#25 - 2012-03-25 21:37:54 UTC
I'll just throw out some CS fits that have worked for me (some better than others and some definitely cheaper than others):


[Astarte, mishin cheap]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Stasis Webifier II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


[Sleipnir, mishin]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Domination X-Large Shield Booster
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Small Tractor Beam II

Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II
Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I


[Nighthawk, standard mission fit]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Small Tractor Beam II

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


[Sleipnir, mishin arties]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Gistum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Small Tractor Beam II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator II

I've also long wanted to try out Headerman's Loki (above). I'm sure I'll get around to it sometime.
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#26 - 2012-03-26 08:50:52 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Turns out you can PVE fairly well with a range tanked Oracle... if you're willing to put some effort into a PVE fit (instead of PVEing in your PVP fit) you can probably make a decent mission runner out of it.

-Liang


Can't see it being better than a BS for tank and gang combo but I can confirm its awsomesuce for dps support in missions with pulses and mwd. Additionally it works for lvl 5s with logi back up... and I am sure can belt rat with a couple of extenders in the mids but a solo local tank Oracle for (all) lvl4s ... I do not see it... then again you say PvE in general so no argument there...

I bet a semi AFK Domi with reps and cap transfer and honor tank can run lvl5s in reasonable time with the Oracle though...
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-03-26 11:12:28 UTC
Nighthawk, even has drones.
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