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goodbye (hisec) sandbox, hello daycare

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Msgerbs
The Ronin Wind
Khimi Harar
#101 - 2012-03-25 06:17:56 UTC
I'd love to see what you guys are talking about, but I can't look far enough back in the announcements to see it... CCP 2 gud.

However, I think getting global aggression for things to used to give corp or individual aggression is a VERY bad move. Basically, I can't do anything in highsec now without being blown up. Because you can pretty much guarantee anybody who goes flashy red is gonna die unless the system is pretty much empty. I've been a member of enough frig roams where an unfortunate -10 landed on us to know that flashy reds in highsec get blown up. And not only that, but you can't even defend yourself without losing sec status, forcing people who still want to pvp in highsec to become missionbears in their spare time just to keep their sec up.
Adunh Slavy
#102 - 2012-03-25 07:23:31 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Edit:
Could anybody please explain to me why these changes would "force" anybody to low/nullsec ?



They won't force anyone, what they will do is allow + characters to defend areas of lowsec from interloping pirates and in so doing, not become "pirates" them selves.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Hinkledolph
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2012-03-25 08:23:39 UTC
What is highsec pvp exactly? I do not spend much time there so have no idea what is that thing.
The only thing that comes to mind is when you wardec someone.

Shooting miners in belts is more like carebear ratting and same goes for suicide gancking. I understand that this brings delicious tears but it is not pvp.
Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2012-03-25 11:14:04 UTC
Hinkledolph wrote:
What is highsec pvp exactly? I do not spend much time there so have no idea what is that thing.
The only thing that comes to mind is when you wardec someone.

Shooting miners in belts is more like carebear ratting and same goes for suicide gancking. I understand that this brings delicious tears but it is not pvp.



I don't know, if its not PvP, How about we call it PvC?

Carebears aren't really 'people' after all (mostly botters in my experience), so would calling it PvC would distinguish the two and not offend our 'nullsec PVP' betters?

Wat u tink, guvnor?

Is "PvC" a 'good enough' label for popping, oh, almost 600 Exhumers in 3 months......SOLO?


I think dealing about 115 Billion ISK in damage to the mining community - with only occasional play - is just a bit more than 'carebear ratting', so you might want to climb down from your pedestal.

After all, I don't see very many kills on YOUR ledger........that aren't shared by 50 other people. Roll




Rico Minali
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2012-03-25 11:41:56 UTC
The changes may seem quite harsh at first thoguht, then I thought to myself "well, to be quite honest, it is targetted at helping to stop people targetting new players because they rnt hard enough to attack established players." So I thought that actually it was OK.

Lets face it guys, if you want a real fight you dont can flip, wardec corps with low sp guys, gank miners or anythign like that. You go and look for a real fight, or wardec corps that you know are pvp capable. Wardecs are hard to make right but at least there is now some protection for non pvp corps.

I like teh idea that a mining corp can now call in allies to teh war, hire mercs easier and things like that. And dont forget now that you hard guys in here got waht you wanted with the wardecced targets not being able to jump ship and escape. Just dint go quite as easy as you wanted it.

Stop preying on the weak and get some self respect.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

Xylorn Hasher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#106 - 2012-03-25 12:14:50 UTC
Hinkledolph wrote:
What is highsec pvp exactly? I do not spend much time there so have no idea what is that thing.
The only thing that comes to mind is when you wardec someone.

Shooting miners in belts is more like carebear ratting and same goes for suicide gancking. I understand that this brings delicious tears but it is not pvp.



Indeed.

Greefers are crying like a little girls cuz they realised that after killing / suicide ganking they will be instantly outlaws.

Killing someone in hisec will be still possible, but they can't bear -5 security status.
I think they cry cuz they finally realised thet they aren't really diffrent from others carebears who mine / run missions whole day.
I dont think they will grow some balls to go outlaw and hit hisec bears directly from lowsec as i do with -10 security status.

Grow balls noobs, go lowsec, laugh at that change.

All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana consumption.

Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2012-03-25 15:36:09 UTC
I belive this new system, will add more consequences to your actions. You don't get to shout "MOAR RISK FOR CAREBEAR PUSSIES!" and be completely safe surrounded by CONCORD while bashing ships with no risk to yourself as you gank hulks and fight mission fit ship that would never win in the first place. As it stands now, there is no risk to you...at all and you get to shout risk -> Boom! some carebear idiot. Now, you actually have repercusions to you actions that will make you find your safe zone where you will actually step back from your aggressive rampant asshatery and reavaluate your limits of actual loss.
MR mastercrend Echerie
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2012-03-25 15:48:59 UTC
lol at griefer tears, you all claim you hate carebears couse they only do lvl4s or mining or both wile thinking highsec is safe, what you guys dont realize is that you are the real care bears, 99% of the time you abuse game mechanics to create a safe enviroment for you and be able to kill without danger... On a real sand-box you should not be able to create that safety carebear grifer enviroment. Wow im let couse canfliped and killed a hulk and he didnt even had a chance. like someone said you are not pvprs, you are just cowards, you are the real carebears of this game, so bring me your tears :)
Pirate
El Geo
Warcrows
Shattered Foundations
#109 - 2012-03-25 16:56:53 UTC
and blobbing the sh*t out of things is considered pvp is it? please, some of you 'nullsec' players dont move without the blob, your just like the greifers in highsec but for some reason think you're diferent
Rikeka
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#110 - 2012-03-25 17:58:45 UTC
El Geo wrote:
and blobbing the sh*t out of things is considered pvp is it? please, some of you 'nullsec' players dont move without the blob, your just like the greifers in highsec but for some reason think you're diferent

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DZUXQ.jpg[/IMG]

Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#111 - 2012-03-25 18:09:58 UTC
Confirming everyone in null 'blobs the sh*t', literallly 100%. Also there are gatecamps everywhere and leaving high-sec results in dying horribly as soon as you decloak.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#112 - 2012-03-25 18:16:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Wilkus
Aqriue wrote:
I belive this new system, will add more consequences to your actions. You don't get to shout "MOAR RISK FOR CAREBEAR PUSSIES!" and be completely safe surrounded by CONCORD while bashing ships with no risk to yourself as you gank hulks and fight mission fit ship that would never win in the first place. As it stands now, there is no risk to you...at all and you get to shout risk -> Boom! some carebear idiot. Now, you actually have repercusions to you actions that will make you find your safe zone where you will actually step back from your aggressive rampant asshatery and reavaluate your limits of actual loss.


What are you on about, fool?

Gankers are completely safe surrounded by CONCORD? Are you on drugs? Or just kind of like the wacky uncle in the attic?

Concord is vaporizing my ships when GCC'd, and if its not Concord its endless waves of Faction Navy.

Suicide gankers take a risk with every single attack. A calculated risk, but a risk, nonetheless.

We sacrifice a ship, in the hopes that:

-the attack succeeds.
-the loot drops.
-the loot is not stolen.
-other players do no intervene and gank/jam/pod the ganker.

If things go wrong, you lose ISK - sometimes a LOT of ISK, depending on whether it is a 10M T2 Destroyer or a 800M ISK fleet of Tornados.

So **** off with that 'no risk' bullshit, faceless pussy-alt Aqriue. You are a loudmouthed dumbass that don't know anything - and doesn't know enough to STFU. If I squeezed your head **** would run out of your ears. But then my hands would be greasy and disgusting.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#113 - 2012-03-25 18:35:30 UTC
Xylorn Hasher wrote:
Hinkledolph wrote:
What is highsec pvp exactly? I do not spend much time there so have no idea what is that thing.
The only thing that comes to mind is when you wardec someone.

Shooting miners in belts is more like carebear ratting and same goes for suicide gancking. I understand that this brings delicious tears but it is not pvp.



Indeed.

Greefers are crying like a little girls cuz they realised that after killing / suicide ganking they will be instantly outlaws.

Killing someone in hisec will be still possible, but they can't bear -5 security status.
I think they cry cuz they finally realised thet they aren't really diffrent from others carebears who mine / run missions whole day.
I dont think they will grow some balls to go outlaw and hit hisec bears directly from lowsec as i do with -10 security status.

Grow balls noobs, go lowsec, laugh at that change.


I think you have a lot to learn about suicide ganking.
Crimewatch isn't going to make anybody an instant outlaw. So, learn to read.
But even if somehow a single gank made you an outlaw....

you realize that most suicide gankers are -10, or well on their way, right?

I mean, the thats the whole idea....
If you blow up 6 Mackinaws and their pods in highsec with a Smartbomb Typhoon.....thats a lot of sec penalty! Literally weeks of ratting to repair.

But if you are already -10, who the hell cares, you adapt and gank some more.

Now that I've explained it to you, you should apologize to the rest of us for calling us noobs - when you have already demonstrated that you don't have the slightest idea how the game actually works.

Also, is your character-avatar supposed to be a closet homosexual? Seems to be a case of 'trying too hard'.
And by extention, are you Xylorn? Sorry to say, you seem to be trying too hard too. Just curious.

Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2012-03-25 18:47:36 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Confirming everyone in null 'blobs the sh*t', literallly 100%. Also there are gatecamps everywhere and leaving high-sec results in dying horribly as soon as you decloak.


Nor is everything in highsec suicide ganks and baiting incursioners. There, are, in fact, fight here, too. (Or, rather, were. Dec Shielding has eliminated most of them.) I think you've got as much of a misconstrued idea about this as you claim we have.

The ganks certainly *do* exist, and they do have a certain fun to them, but they aren't the be all and end all of life as a highsec 'scummie'.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#115 - 2012-03-25 19:19:05 UTC
While I don't see any reason to bother with PVP in high sec personally, I wasn't the one in this thread implying that's all there is there. I do like to poke fun at PVP noobs though (mostly because it takes one to know one) :P

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2012-03-25 19:24:02 UTC
Papa bear,momma bear and baby bear.
Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#117 - 2012-03-25 19:42:18 UTC
Xylorn Hasher wrote:
Hinkledolph wrote:
What is highsec pvp exactly? I do not spend much time there so have no idea what is that thing.
The only thing that comes to mind is when you wardec someone.

Shooting miners in belts is more like carebear ratting and same goes for suicide gancking. I understand that this brings delicious tears but it is not pvp.



Indeed.

Greefers are crying like a little girls cuz they realised that after killing / suicide ganking they will be instantly outlaws.

Killing someone in hisec will be still possible, but they can't bear -5 security status.
I think they cry cuz they finally realised thet they aren't really diffrent from others carebears who mine / run missions whole day.
I dont think they will grow some balls to go outlaw and hit hisec bears directly from lowsec as i do with -10 security status.

Grow balls noobs, go lowsec, laugh at that change.


Lowsec, isnt that the place where hulks hide and mine during hulkageddon?
Because its dead and empty otherwise.
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#118 - 2012-03-25 20:51:33 UTC
kiki mo wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/1tLtR.jpg

New "suspect" flag
- Minor crimes. Anyone can shoot you without penalty
- Flipping a can for example
- Anyone assisting a suspect becomes a suspect
- Not sure if gate guns will attack a suspect

All of the above seems fine...right? The twist on this; at least as far as I've been led to believe is that

- Killing somebody, while you are a 'suspect' incurs a sec status hit (even if they shoot at you first) up to -5
- Killing somebody, who is +5, while you are a 'suspect' incurs a sec status hit up to -10
- The 'assisting' suspect-flagged RR pilot also incurs the security hit if a ship was killed

So, since this won't stop the hisec ganking (until that eventually gets nerfed into impossibility this coming year), do you think the idea is to 'force' more people into Low-Sec and Null while protecting the new bear population?

Do you think that will work? It seems, to me at least, to be aimed at the ninjas, can-flippers and other ne'er-do-wells of hisec with the intention of creating a completely safe zone. War decs can be scraped off, bounties don't mean a thing, plus apparently there will be one-time settable toggles to set it so you never, unintentionally, ever go red to somebody else.

My guess is that with Empire space as a completely safe zone, with no possibility of non-consesual PvP or any player to player content, this will pretty much end up being a completely safe and boring high-sec, (still) nearly-empty lowsec and the continued Null power blocks (if you're not 'in' with them and the politics, you'll be in hisec safety)

thoughts?

My thought is that it will eventually seriously degrade the game as it was first introduced and even how it is played today. People who start Eve to just try it out will stay in high-sec (unless they have friends in the null alliances) and play for a while until they get bored of the grind. You will no longer have the ****-fit navy Dominix that dies in his mission, gets an adrenaline rush he'd never experienced before, gets excited and learns more about fitting a ship properly who then either is motivated to move to nullsec or become a white knight to combat the 'honorless internet jerks'...or possibly become one of the 'jerks' themselves.


You're a dumbass.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.

zariae
Doomheim
#119 - 2012-03-25 21:28:16 UTC  |  Edited by: zariae
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
As Dr. Eggnog is currently saying: TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE LEAVING BEFORE THE 3 MONTH MARK.

Noobs are treated "horribly".

The primary reason being you guys can't even let them get a descent start.

Nobody hanging around =no profits for CCP=No EVE=No game for YOU at all.

It's a rather simple equation.

YOUR own extreme, out-of-control behaviors and playstyle have brought this about.


Oh really, was EvE too hard for you, for me for the other subrscribers that have kept eve growing year after year? The people that left didn't understand EvE and the game is better off without them.

To all of you saying 'proper' pvp is in null or lowsec still don't get it. EvE is supposed to be a sandbox where within the game mechanics pvp can happen anywhere to anyone, only limited by the imagination of the pilot. There is no right or wrong pvp, there's just pvp.

As for those who said highsec can-flippers take no risks, you need to understand that you're the problem. If you and your corp can't defend yourself, you don't deserve that ship, ore or mission loot. Grow up you self-entitled whiners and accept the game.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2012-03-25 22:37:28 UTC
zariae wrote:
To all of you saying 'proper' pvp is in null or lowsec still don't get it. EvE is supposed to be a sandbox where within the game mechanics pvp can happen anywhere to anyone, only limited by the imagination of the pilot. There is no right or wrong pvp, there's just pvp.

Sure it's a sandbox. But when you have certain kiddies thinking that you can pee and excement in the sandbox because it's a sandbox then we start having a problem.

CCP is trying to run a business. These kiddies think that because they pay $15 per month they're entitled to grief other players and thus other monthy subscriptions out of the game because it's a 'sandbox'. So, without understanding even what a sandbox means they start parroting the word around as an excuse to grief and generate what they call "tears", or ruining other players' game experience.

When CCP comes in and plugs exploits, bugs, and loopholes that slowly drive their business to the ground, these kiddies cry and stomp their feet while looking for other ways to use the game as a tool to continue their grief. They want to continue crapping and peeing in the sandbox because to them, that is what a sandbox is. It isn't a playground for players to have fun, but rather a tool for them to have fun at the expense of others. Learn what a sandbox is and you'll soon realize that crying whenever CCP plugs your griefing mechanisms won't help you much.

zariae wrote:
As for those who said highsec can-flippers take no risks, you need to understand that you're the problem. If you and your corp can't defend yourself, you don't deserve that ship, ore or mission loot. Grow up you self-entitled whiners and accept the game.

Excuse me, but you do realize that the ones whining here are the OP, you, and the others crying about the changes to come, don't you? I suggest you take your own advice, grow up and accept the consequences and risk for your actions, you self-entitled whiner. Or find another venue to relieve your frustrations and inadequacies of grief. Or get professional help. Whatever.

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