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Adunh Slavy
#101 - 2012-03-25 06:35:11 UTC
Hope all mining moves to this kind of system, boring is boring.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#102 - 2012-03-25 06:37:05 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Yet another reason to thank The Mittani and CSM 6.
I don't know why everyone thinks he's the devil. He's not a bad guy and he does make some good points.

That being said, I didn't vote for him.

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Endeavour Starfleet
#103 - 2012-03-25 06:37:43 UTC
Andski wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
ok prove it so I can eat my tin foil hat... were do you get the numbers which say there are more bots there then in null?


The data came directly from CCP.


The data they can detect. I am no longer convinced they have even the remote ability to detect the smart bots that gets used by the nullsec RMT cheaters. And alliances run with "Don't report blues" that is why I don't think the "PLEX for video cards" is a good idea.

This is why in my opinion the replacement for moon goo needs from the very start to be designed to foil even the smartest bots. So we don't have large alliances replacing their moon goo with bot goo.


i love how you just don't stop harping on about that because you don't understand how a large alliance works because, lol, hisec



Except I have been in nullsec. Many times. Why do you think I wrote my idea topic on adding balance to AFK cloaking? Because I wanted to laugh at people debating it? No it was because I was there I saw the imbalance and I wanted to discuss an idea to address it.

Why do you think I talk about nullsec alliances? Because I was in that crap. I was in the constant CTAs. I did my part and got jack crap for it while good ole boys never had to worry about ships lost or income streams (Thinking back they likely were a group of botters themselves based on their attitudes on things)

It was about the moon goo it was about the renter space. It was about everything except #1234 of Corp #3 Of mah epic alliance.

So yes Mister Goon I know all about nullsec. That is why I left it and will continue to pressure CCP to fix the crap that makes it a den of good ole boys and RMT. So I can return and blow **** up again.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2012-03-25 06:37:45 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Some of you need to take the tinfoil hats off and stop snorting so much coke before taking to the forums. The paranoia is getting ridiculous.


If you don't see the potential for bots taking over this new system then I don't know how goons keep you around. Then again the idea that active players participating in anything besides CTAs (And thus asking for more in return) must be a nightmare for many nullsec alliances.


lol we don't have CTAs

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Endeavour Starfleet
#105 - 2012-03-25 06:42:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Endeavour Starfleet
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Some of you need to take the tinfoil hats off and stop snorting so much coke before taking to the forums. The paranoia is getting ridiculous.


If you don't see the potential for bots taking over this new system then I don't know how goons keep you around. Then again the idea that active players participating in anything besides CTAs (And thus asking for more in return) must be a nightmare for many nullsec alliances.


lol we don't have CTAs


No you have a nice way to get people to use that crap of a forum so I guess atleast goons HAVE to be a little nicer to member #1234

A little atleast. No help for the people who cant or wont use that forum tho.

Cyprus Black wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Yet another reason to thank The Mittani and CSM 6.
I don't know why everyone thinks he's the devil. He's not a bad guy and he does make some good points.

That being said, I didn't vote for him.


I actually like him. I view him as a person that understands that nullsec is a shithole and works to get things fixed. His views on incursions are encouraging and If I had a spare vote I would have given it to him. (Was trying to give votes to good candidates that could beat Darius but thanks to the frakked up voting system two of em were wasted)
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2012-03-25 06:43:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Ladie Harlot
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Why do you think I talk about nullsec alliances? Because I was in that crap. I was in the constant CTAs. I did my part and got jack crap for it while good ole boys never had to worry about ships lost or income streams (Thinking back they likely were a group of botters themselves based on their attitudes on things)

It was about the moon goo it was about the renter space. It was about everything except #1234 of Corp #3 Of mah epic alliance.

So yes Mister Goon I know all about nullsec. That is why I left it and will continue to pressure CCP to fix the crap that makes it a den of good ole boys and RMT. So I can return and blow **** up again.


Maybe don't join a ****** renter corp next time.

In my alliance our moongoo pays for ship reimbursement for both fleet ops and random skirmishes, small gangs or even solo roaming. It sometimes also pays the insurance that we used to get for ganking miners in high sec.

Some of it goes towards plexes for our logistics heroes who keep all our infrastructure running.

A bunch of it goes towards our cap and supercap builders so we can offer those ships to our members at cost. It also pays for the all the fuel that those ships use so the pilots don't have to buy their own.

Every few months one of our directors publishes our finances so we can see where the isk is going.

We do all that for our members and we don't have CTAs, Red Pen ops, mandatory mining ops or any of that crap. People show up for fleets because they aren't treated like dirt.

Maybe you should stop basing all your views of nullsec on the one crappy corp you belonged to for a week or so before the afk cloakers ran you back to high sec.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Endeavour Starfleet
#107 - 2012-03-25 06:52:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Endeavour Starfleet
Just an FYI the cloaky's didn't run it me off (Only thing I ever lost to a cloaky was a salvage destroyer) It was my corp not giving two craps to support my ideas (Or any solution for that matter) on a solution "Meh we don't care we will just stay at the POS until later" I did not make the topic to support those lazy idiots. (Everyone has their bad corp or two in history) It was because it was a part of the general cake of dog crap that is nullsec that I decided to make my ideas heard on. If I can't respect my corp I don't support it. (Were idiots anyway I could have made off with half the assets because of the roles I kept getting showered with despite my requests not to as I hate roles)
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#108 - 2012-03-25 06:54:38 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Just an FYI the cloaky's didn't run it me off (Only thing I ever lost to a cloaky was a salvage destroyer) It was my corp not giving two craps to support my ideas on a solution "Meh we don't care we will just stay at the POS until later" I did not make the topic to support those lazy idiots. (Everyone has their bad corp or two in history) It was because it was a part of the general cake of dog crap that is nullsec that I decided to make my ideas heard on. If I can't respect my corp I don't support it. (Were idiots anyway I could have made off with half the assets because of the roles I kept getting showered with despite my requests not to as I hate roles)


There you go...you were in a bad corp and that's what ruined nullsec for you. There are other options.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Endeavour Starfleet
#109 - 2012-03-25 06:59:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Endeavour Starfleet
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Just an FYI the cloaky's didn't run it me off (Only thing I ever lost to a cloaky was a salvage destroyer) It was my corp not giving two craps to support my ideas on a solution "Meh we don't care we will just stay at the POS until later" I did not make the topic to support those lazy idiots. (Everyone has their bad corp or two in history) It was because it was a part of the general cake of dog crap that is nullsec that I decided to make my ideas heard on. If I can't respect my corp I don't support it. (Were idiots anyway I could have made off with half the assets because of the roles I kept getting showered with despite my requests not to as I hate roles)


There you go...you were in a bad corp and that's what ruined nullsec for you. There are other options.


As I have stated. I have been in Nullsec many times. The renter thing was because I was curious about it but it is as completely crap as the rest. (And worse because lazy ass renters rarely read topics that affect their future much less care to state their views on the subjects) The others were full on warring alliances.

With the rest of the plate of dog crap that is nullsec.


Now about your ship replacement moon goo. I actually believe yall on that. Mainly because it is stupid not to as being goons requires SA access. However, Can you not do the same thing with members doing that? Goons are a mix of just about anything so legitimately it should not seriously affect you. Especially if it helps to gut the funds of adversaries that are used to screwing over their memberbase.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#110 - 2012-03-25 07:06:02 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
(Were idiots anyway I could have made off with half the assets because of the roles I kept getting showered with despite my requests not to as I hate roles)


if you had done that you wouldn't give a rat's ass about incursions

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#111 - 2012-03-25 07:07:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Now about your ship replacement moon goo. I actually believe yall on that. Mainly because it is stupid not to as being goons requires SA access. However, Can you not do the same thing with members doing that? Goons are a mix of just about anything so legitimately it should not seriously affect you. Especially if it helps to gut the funds of adversaries that are used to screwing over their memberbase.


bat country, amok, ned-clan, OEG, monkey attack squad, pulsar inc, wildly inappropriate, sundering. these are all corps in CONDI whose members are not SA forums posters. they all get the same benefits that anyone in goonwaffe gets.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Endeavour Starfleet
#112 - 2012-03-25 07:15:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Endeavour Starfleet
Andski wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Now about your ship replacement moon goo. I actually believe yall on that. Mainly because it is stupid not to as being goons requires SA access. However, Can you not do the same thing with members doing that? Goons are a mix of just about anything so legitimately it should not seriously affect you. Especially if it helps to gut the funds of adversaries that are used to screwing over their memberbase.


bat country, amok, ned-clan, OEG, monkey attack squad, pulsar inc, wildly inappropriate, sundering. these are all corps in CONDI whose members are not SA forums posters. they all get the same benefits that anyone in goonwaffe gets.


That's nice. You take care of your friends. I never said goons were dumb. (Well all of them tho I question some of them that crap on the forums a bunch :P ) I am again just asking. Does this affect you at all? Do you not have legions of people that will do this to continue to keep the good stuff rolling in? While your enemies without said friendship try to force their's and epic fail?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#113 - 2012-03-25 07:18:09 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Andski wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Now about your ship replacement moon goo. I actually believe yall on that. Mainly because it is stupid not to as being goons requires SA access. However, Can you not do the same thing with members doing that? Goons are a mix of just about anything so legitimately it should not seriously affect you. Especially if it helps to gut the funds of adversaries that are used to screwing over their memberbase.


bat country, amok, ned-clan, OEG, monkey attack squad, pulsar inc, wildly inappropriate, sundering. these are all corps in CONDI whose members are not SA forums posters. they all get the same benefits that anyone in goonwaffe gets.


That's nice. You take care of your friends. I never said goons were dumb. I am again just asking. Does this affect you at all? Do you not have legions of people that will do this to continue to keep the good stuff rolling in? While your enemies without said friendship try to force their's and epic fail?


cutting PvP reimbursements in favor of some ridiculous wealth redistribution system would just end badly with comedy tengu lossmails

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#114 - 2012-03-25 07:21:11 UTC
Or even more likely comedy supercap lossmails.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Endeavour Starfleet
#115 - 2012-03-25 07:23:00 UTC
Andski wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Andski wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Now about your ship replacement moon goo. I actually believe yall on that. Mainly because it is stupid not to as being goons requires SA access. However, Can you not do the same thing with members doing that? Goons are a mix of just about anything so legitimately it should not seriously affect you. Especially if it helps to gut the funds of adversaries that are used to screwing over their memberbase.


bat country, amok, ned-clan, OEG, monkey attack squad, pulsar inc, wildly inappropriate, sundering. these are all corps in CONDI whose members are not SA forums posters. they all get the same benefits that anyone in goonwaffe gets.


That's nice. You take care of your friends. I never said goons were dumb. I am again just asking. Does this affect you at all? Do you not have legions of people that will do this to continue to keep the good stuff rolling in? While your enemies without said friendship try to force their's and epic fail?


cutting PvP reimbursements in favor of some ridiculous wealth redistribution system would just end badly with comedy tengu lossmails


Controlling moons is controlling wealth currently. I don't see the difference. Members contributing with the new systems sounds great to me personally. And while you may see it as cutting PVP reimbursements I see it as empowering the #1234s in nullsec which is a good thing.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#116 - 2012-03-25 07:31:42 UTC
Reimbursement programs serve two purposes - they allow members to reship and get back into the fight without worrying about ratting ISK back up to pay for ships, and more importantly, they encourage members for flying the right ships. Your plan would cost us both of those benefits.

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Endeavour Starfleet
#117 - 2012-03-25 07:36:14 UTC
Andski wrote:
Reimbursement programs serve two purposes - they allow members to reship and get back into the fight without worrying about ratting ISK back up to pay for ships, and more importantly, they encourage members for flying the right ships. Your plan would cost us both of those benefits.


I just don't see how. I would assume goons would say. "Doing this allows us to help you. We show you how we spend the goo you give us." And I would assume goons would line up to go goo fishing. And considering the large glob of space you own I don't think fishing ponds would be in short supply.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#118 - 2012-03-25 07:45:01 UTC
i literally have no idea what you're going on about at this point

delusional ramblings are amusing though please continue

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#119 - 2012-03-25 07:47:30 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Andski wrote:
Reimbursement programs serve two purposes - they allow members to reship and get back into the fight without worrying about ratting ISK back up to pay for ships, and more importantly, they encourage members for flying the right ships. Your plan would cost us both of those benefits.


I just don't see how. I would assume goons would say. "Doing this allows us to help you. We show you how we spend the goo you give us." And I would assume goons would line up to go goo fishing. And considering the large glob of space you own I don't think fishing ponds would be in short supply.


Are you wanting us to distribute technitium to everybody instead of using the money it generates to fund ship replacement? I honestly can't figure out what you're getting at.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Endeavour Starfleet
#120 - 2012-03-25 07:47:56 UTC
Andski wrote:
i literally have no idea what you're going on about at this point

delusional ramblings are amusing though please continue


Not surprising you just don't get it. Just like with Incursions.

Thankfully tho your CSM Chairmain Is quite different in that regard.