Crime & Punishment

ITT - Scrub admits that consequences (that he denies elsewhere) do exist and that he is badass enough to dish them out himself.

So you are saying that most gank victims are noobs? Where did they get all that isk? Last time I checked, 0.0 heros, like yourself, prefer to use neutral hauler alts in empire...Better to avoid unwanted conflict, amirite? I understand, its hard to PVP without an FC to hold your hand and tell you when to press F1, and even harder to develop some actual, individual pilot skill...

Conclusion: OP likely lost a great deal of isk on his noob hauler alt to a suicide ganker and is greatly butthurt.

ROFL !!!

First off I am a true High Sec Carebear, not a pirate, scammer, scum or any other name you like to call a certain player base.

My main trade is mining, building and selling ships of all sizes as well as pos's, some other bits and pieces as well as volume market trading. (I also consider myself to be quite good at it)

So you use can flipping as an example, great

First point, if you can flip in a rookie system then you can be banned for this so new starters are fairly safe.

In other space you receive a warning before trying to take the contents so if you CHOOSE to ignore the warning then it is your own fault.

People seem to forgot the fact that you have a choice, like everything else in Eve, you have a choice.

If you are can flipped then your entire corp can take revenge for the next 15 minutes.

If you do not learn from your mistake and are can flipped again then you deserve everything you get, this is Eve, not WoW.

As for risks, you need to learn to read. Every time I have been in a corp that has been war-decced I have always gone out fighting. Yeah I have had my arse handed to me every time but so what, its a game and a BIG part of the game is PvP.

Most of my losses is me going into a fight knowing it is impossible for me to win but I look at every fight as a chance to learn something new and its fun

As for filler, when ever anybody tries to compare a game with rl its just filler as its all just BS.

I never said you couldn't, my main concern with the new rules is with the cost of war dec's, i.e the larger the corp / alliance the safer you become as only a very few will be able to afford the war dec costs.

So for example if you are a large null sec alliance with like +2000 members, the chances that you are going to be war dec is very slim due to the very high cost involved.

So in turn if you have any corps which are located in high sec, or if any of your members are visiting high sec for any reason, you have a added level of safety.

I know of a several alliance that were based in null sec that suffered quite badly when they were war decc'ed as a lot of pilots could no longer find refuge there and it also made there logistics a lot more difficult.

Also the change that if you do can flip you will be able to be engaged by EVERYBODY as well as take a sec hit is going overboard.

If you lose your ship via a gank you currently have an entire month to take revenge against that person,

The problem in Eve today is that people refuse to take the options which are available and just come crying on the forums demanding CCP make High Sec in a non-PvP zone.

Don't you think its pretty damn ironic that here is a True High Sec Care bear, somebody who is at constant risk at getting his hulks / macks / Orcas / Indy Ships / Freighters getting blown to bits every time I undock supporting the very people who are doing the shooting

Not really, because at it's heart these arguments aren't about PvP vs PvE, It's Sandbox vs Themepark. As someone that embraces the idea of players having the tools to reach their own diverse goals and solve their own problems without being firewalled from other players interference you are every bit a legitimate Sandbox player as the PvP focused players in this thread.

Hardly, the troll just kept the thread bumped the important part is the original post. If people want to waste time responding to them it's only really their time wasted.

The reality and important part is that the leaders of High Sec PvP corps plus Darius III got together and pretty much agreed on all the key issues, Darius III is a current member of the CSM and he and Alekseyev just got voted onto CSM 7 (albeit not the top 7) and can now effectively get that unified message to CCP.

The bad news isn't that a couple of trolls made **** posts in this thread, it's the the EVE Uni guy got on the top 7 CSM and CCP Greyscale might come up with more ideas for Crimewatch 2.0

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE WHO PARTICIPATED

I would also like to point out that my capslock light is broken.

Great discussion, great ideas and some of our stuff was already in the cards it seems. +1 to all who took time to voice their opinions

You were missing the ] at the end of the "/quote" block.

Well done, it's good to hear from an actual Ultima player. Much of what people should know about this is contained in this excellent article; I read it and was thinking the whole time "oh my goodness, this guy needs to hear about EVE." So did everyone else in the comments; he mentions there that he has heard about EVE, but didn't know enough about it to really say one way or another that it was good in the same ways.

Dozens of other commenters were in evidence the same way. If EVE were to remain the way it is and BROADCAST more clearly to the world that this is how it works (more trailers like Causality please!), there would be a huge number of people flocking to EVE because of it. It's a matured version of what Ultima once was, learning from its mistakes and improving upon it in every way; we need to treasure this, not allow people who say that they should be able to go about without interacting with others escape unscathed.

At one point, you guys talked about having a delay in joining or leaving the corp of an attacker. Why not have that system constantly apply to everyone all the time? Leaving a corp takes 24 (48?) hours from when you push the button, and a corp leaving an alliance takes 5 (6?, 7?) days. The process is irreversible, to avoid people/corps constantly 'leaving' every day and then undoing it if nobody decs.

Keeps people from running away. The only downside is a lack of immediate gratification. The obvious response is that choices have consequences, don't join a corp or alliance unless you are sure you want to stay a day or a week.

Listening now. Good to hear some of my talking points made it in

I think that's a point we may have made. Or, at least, if we didn't, we should have. Corp-hopping cuts both ways. And as an unashamed corp-hopper, I'd be well prepared to give it up if that meant the defenders also gave it up