Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I have no problem with actively defending your space, it is your right to do that. The inherent advantage to cloaking is the ability to pick and choose the time in which you attack, if you take this away it will only cause farther 0.0 stagnation and completely destroy the structure of W-Space.

Many people don't realize that local helps the cloaker as much as it helps the residents of any sov 0.0 system. The cloaker can look at local count, see what is on d-scan and can easily extapolate what was happening in system when he came in. On top of that the cloaker now can monitor the local count and even sit on a jump bridge or cyno beacon and watch traffic flow, recognizing trends and how many people are using the bridge vs regular gates. Then using information given ingame via the map he can look to see how many people are docked to determine if there is anybody in space, because nullbears like to dock up rather than POS up when a hostile is in system. All of this can be done while 'AFK'.

In modern naval warfare, submarines can tail an enemy for weeks, or months and the ship being tailed has no clue. Also if the sub wants to hide it simply drops depth to blend in with the surrounding environment; in this case the seafloor. Why should it be possible to scan down a ship cloaked up, nowhere near anything that would give away it's position, essentially blending in with the random 'space-noise' going on around it.

Going back to the submarine example, at long as the sub doesn't have to surface for air or food it can maintain it's essential invisibility indefinately (btw, no ship in eve needs to 'restock' at a given interval so it makes no sense to make that exclusive to cloakers). Infact, the only time the submarine is actually in danger is when it's active. So as I have proposed before and I am a strong advocate for is that only active cloakers be able to be detected by any future anti-cloaking ships/modules.

This combined the at the very least with the modification of local to the point where cloakers are removed (I would prefer if local was set to full delay, just like in W-Space) will create an environment where both parties get what they want, a system where cloakers can be detected and it doesn't eliminate the ability to safe up and cloak. AFK cloaking will disappear completely as it is no longer necessary; to achieve the effect of system stagnation now all they have to do is show up and wait, afterwards they have to engage a hostile to make themselves known, risking a trap or failure.

The fallacy of the argument of cloaking being 100% safe is only because local is 100% accurate. If a cloaker has to decloak and attack in order to stop ratting or mining in an area this will cause the very risk that the people demanding cloak dectecting probes want.

What exactly does a serious AFK cloaker do? I'd love to know.

Also answer me this: What mechanic are they using to interact with you and try to create fear, whilst they are AFK?

Thats what gate camps are for.

Cloakyfags are a valid psyops tactic, and nerfing the game would make it less boring. People who like to take the occasional break from their bearing it up can spend many an entertained hour researching the afkers habits based on killboard activity and observed activity from successful kills, and set up various traps.

Absolute worst situation I can think of(and we had this in fade recently) is a cloaky covops hotdropper in every system that shows even slight activity, for weeks on end, actively hotdropping(I wanted that dam panther so bad I could taste the rust).

The name of the game cloakyafks is asset denial. They aren't there for kills(tho they want them kills as much as anyone else) they are there to keep you from ratting because they have you afeared.

The solution to the cloaky afk 'problem' is to HTFU and own your space, or(and this is alot of fun) find out where their carebears live and go return the favor. It amazing how quickly they will leave if you cut off their funding by killing the hell out of their carebears.

not really a valid argument, you can still instill fear in people when cloaking in a system,

it just wont be that stupidly easy anymore with an anti cloaking tactic like probes being able to scan them or something forcing everyone in the system to uncloak once (pos module maybe) active cloakers would just recloak, afk ones are dead

The biggest part of this argument that annoys me is that about every one who is pro-"cloaking is fine", will also turn around and say that you should never be safe in this game. that as soon as you undock, whether in null or high sec you should be prepared to lose your ship. yet heres a mechanic that allows someone to sit out in space for "however long" they choose with 0% risk of loosing their ship... I think this is actually a good counter to it. and nobody can say that it ruins cloaks. sure it is a form of a nerf, but it is one that skilled players should be able to deal with.
-from the complaints about this proposal i do have some suggestions. first we should have these probes "not" work in WH space.
-and I would also say that when a cloaker is being revealed by these probes they should be alerted. since these probes are somehow destabalizing their cloaking field they would be getting feedback through their sensors while it was happening.
-and as someone mentioned, the scan time on the probes should take a considerable longer amount of time, than is counterparts.

i'm fine with a dude who just sits cloaked and does nothing and is nearly 100% safe in contrast to huge alliances which would be nearly 100% safe while ratting, mining etc. in null, once cloakers got nerfed to **** and made impossible to hang around in deeps 0.0 without being outblobbed and hunted constantly all the time forcing them either to leave the space or logoff.

Eve is already favoring huge alliances too much, nerving cloaks and removing the ability for single people effectively harass big 0.0 alliances would skew the balance even more toward the latter. As long as the local is showing immediate, free and faultless intel, there should be a way to use it the other way around and to pollute that kind of intel by afk hanging around.

Gate camps never stopped me from afk cloaking FA space

lol

(don't feel bad, i don't blame FA, it's just the idea of having active fleets camping gates 23/7 is unfeasible in practice)

Meh, if a person is afk and not doing anything, give him a afk timer and log him off in 30 mins to a hour.

I don't care about the afk cloakies, but it would sure the hell cut the lag down for the people playing eve, and cut down the strain on CCPs computers keeping all the AFK players on. Stop the afk farming by sending out drones, remote the sentrys and going afk.

Auto log the AFKers would solve many problems.

Well you're never going to get it. There will always be a trump card to strongholds. The cloak is that.

It is always the same this Idea has being posted 1000 times ... People that think inside the box and only do PVP will always complain about this. But most of people that actually sees all the EVE universe as a Whole and want to see it growing will like it...

Guys remember that eve is a cycle: Prospecting>Manufacturing>Destroying if you look at the destruction part of the game... there is no problem with afk cloaker... but if you look at the prospecting part of it, it ruins the game in Null-sec and WH space.

Also AFK is the opposite of playing... the game should be played... it is as game breaking as bots are.

Also probes don't break cloaking. It only prevents Cloak abuses.

And a cloaked ship is not needed in a system for more then 30Min to gather intell, yoou guys can run from probes this long... further information like daily movement in the system and whatever, you can see trough some map options.

Staying cloaked to kill fragile miners or to kill PVE ships is not a man attitude! You should be going after roaming pvp gangs, to hotdrop them and have real fights, having a killbord with 1000 minning barges and 0 losses makes you a better player then a player with 100 BCs kills and 1 loss?

Killing the industry and the prospecting ruins the best part of the eve. It rises prices of ships and modules, this reflects on bigger battles, and in the growth of the game. Also make people annoyed of the game and make them quit.

And now you say, that they are carrebers and should not play eve. And I say that you are wrong. Every Eve player is important and should have fun, this is a sandbox every one counts.

Probably after inferno CCP will do something about it, since they will focus on prospecting...

I just hope that CCP opens an Tread to collect Ideas about it, It would be realy nice to see what people think...