Warfare & Tactics

Take incursions....you are a War Target....no one will rep you. So say your funding your pvp from doing hi-se c incurions ....your game time is curtailed upon someone else just declaring war.

There should be a mechanism to declare combat in Hi-sec.....but the penalty should be even higher for starting the war ...and if it is mutual war there is no financial penalty.

Seriously agree that there are people who play who dont want pvp and are happy flying their ships. I started in eve years ago.....slowly expanded my skills joined a corp and was wardeced within a week of joining the corp....just to be griefed.
Made for a miserable experience and one of the nails in the coffin for me to leave eve. I came back its dull in a NPC corp. joined a nullsec corp not long after having fun with fleet operations in incurions and ran into the wall of war decs. I lived with it but it was annoying......I could make money down in sanctums......but what i wanted to do was make money by doing fleet ops with groups of poeple that didnt involve being a merc/pirate. I finally quit went back to me and mate in a little two man corp and go run our incursions....and not even interested into going into a bigger corp with a the increasing magnitude of chance they will be wardecced.

CCP dont get it that are huge swathes of players out in the mmo world that OPT OUT of pvp altogether. CCP want more subs......in their sandbox ....well the raw of nullsec and lowsec is where you can keep your sandbox and stop forcing stuff on players who want to reside in carebear Hi-sec.

Whining little worms.

WHY do you sign up for a game that is WIDELY spoken about in MMO circles as being harsh, then petition the creators day in and day out to CHANGE it to suit YOU?

The established playerbase were attracted to eve BECAUSE its harsh. We enjoy the risks, because it makes the rewards so much sweeter.

I also strongly disagree with the standard carebear argument of "move to lowsec/nullsec for REAL PVP". I personally believe the most skillful PVP is to be had in a highsec war. Its the last true bastion of solo PVP.

You can opt out of pvp with the new system by accepting terms of surrender which will most likely include a hefty isk payment.

Someone show this whiny little parasite the door. Dosnt WOW have a new expansion (swtor) you should be running off too?

Don't forget that it costs more to declare war on larger corps, so even though they should be more able to defend themselves due to their extra members people are disincentivised to fight them due to the cost. So small corps who are less able to defend themselves can expect to be ground into the dirt much more often.

The only things in EVE that are not PvP are direct isk injections: mission rewards, incursion payouts, bounties from rats. The moment you even touch the market, congratulations you're a PvPer.

If you don't want PvP, play a different game. Period.

I have long thought missions needed more opportunities to engage in economic PVP. Something akin to the way incursions work.

looking at current dec shield alliances, maybe current decshield method is just for dropping unwanted wardec.

would the decshield still works on the new wardec system ? , what happen if theres new version of decshield basically aiming to maximize the number of members just for making them so expensive to wardec? what stopping ndustrial alt corps, or small corps joining some kind permanent decshield alliance ?

not really sure how alliance being managed and the mechanic of it, but i got the feeling this new wardec just switching the same issue to the opposite side, instead actually fixing the wardec mechanic.

My main is in a corp with 100-200 members total for our 'alliance' which mainly consists of our corp. Although we made the alliance to reduce wardecs, we still get wardecced regularly. Mostly by small corporations. Those 'PvP' corporations just want easy kills. When we assemble a fleet, they will not engage us. They just wait till we do missions, or mine. So we can't mission, mine, do incursions, transport goods etc. At the same time there is no PvP either. These wars are why many people quit. And why most of our members play other games in addition to Eve.

Wars should be meaningfull. We have a POS. We should be able to say: come attack us, and if they don't the war gets invalidated. E.g. we send them a notification with location of our POS/Custom office and if they do not reinforce it in 48 hrs, we get out of the war and can do our stuff again. Would be even better if we get locations of enemy structures as well. You want war? You'll get it.

Edit:
* No corporation is going to use the ingame system to pay off war targets. Paying a WT over the table is an invitation to more wardecs.
* With wardec cost based on member count there is no reason a wardec against a 2 man alliance should cost more than a wardec against a 2 man corporation.

there always seems to be a thread about a carebears point of view about the war dec sys . ok heres my point of view on wars since i do them often not for the reason to grief but for a controlled pvp battlefield that keeps it between me and you with out many outside factors. to give u situation that happens often, i dec you since i think that ur an active alliance with players that will give me a good fight.


wat happens? every 1 stops logging in, drops corp within a day, stays docked,and/or loggs off when i show up in local even though i am the only one online in my corp. why do i dec corps/alliances? not for the easy kills. not to grief u. i dec u hoping for a good fight with both of us dieing saying GF atfer said engagement.


the issuse with high sec is the griefer corp/alliances that use the same mind set as null bear alliances use. win at all costs. this is no fun for the carebears that try to fight and end up losing do to the high sec verson of a hot drop which would be A) logg in trap B) i have an army of repps that can dock at any point they want.



now an earlier post was made that when thier alliance sets up a fleet to defend and fight thier war targets, the said targets dock. well i wonder how many they had and how may u had when this happened, no 1 is goin to fight u when u have recon plus dps plus logi. not goin to happen. now if it was a fair (lmfao fair funny thought) or even numbered fight then its a different story. some1 there needs to grow a pair of balls and start thinkin about how they can win with wat they have.

as for ransoms. u would be surprised at how little war dec'ing corps talk to each other unless they are well known and/or try to build something. all in all we will just have to see how things are refined and wat its goin to be like once things come into play