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While I understand the potential fun of the faction warfare idea, there is one thing that has always bugged me.

Why are faction warfare pilots allowed to be pirates or kill civilians?

I think that it is a bit of a contradiction to be part of the "Government" and still be allowed to kill non warefare players.

I would like to see a higher standing decrease for faction warfare members that agress non faction warfare players. I would also think that anyone under a standing of 0 should be removed from faction warfare.

Sorry Blobbers but you shouldn't use the milita force against your civilians. If you get the perks then you should have some down sides also.

double post

bunkers will change to ihubs (same as 0.0) which means they have bigger sig and can be hit better with caps and missile boats

they were also going to make LP for kills either incursion style in the fleet or on the killmail (i hope in the fleet). they were looking at the mechanics of this. it is my hope that they have a certain level of LP for each ship class and enemy pilot rank and then whatever this value is worth, it is split up to the members of the fleet (this encourages more, smaller gangs to fly and roam and less 32 BS killing 1 rifter fleets)

i told them in no uncertain terms that we are fw becuase we want to be and probably most of us have been to 0.0 and hate it so came into FW

my idea with the cyno jamming (i think it could be a really good combat tool btw) is this. anybody can trade a fairly massive amount of FACTION LP in to receive a data-chip or activation key. this can be traded, sold, killed in a cargo bay, anything. next to every faction warfare i-hub is a cyno jammer. sitting there in space. happy as you like. If your faction holds the system sov, anybody in your faction can warp to the cyno jammer, insert the LP bought microchip and fire the cyno jammer. in 60mins or DT the cyno jammer turns off. this increases the value of system ownership, gives us something juicy to see on killmails, is really simple, means we dont really really upset other losec citizens and gives us another tool to bring back the days of 60 vs 60 bs fites in kourm/auga. most importantly it is easy to implement and communicate rather than escalating levels of sov in losec???? wtf

next i said the station stuff is just crazy. just plain crazy although personally i can live with it (it's just like 0.0 mechanics where you lose a station you just trade all your stuff to a neutral alt or an alt you have in the enemy corp/alliance and get it all out). but it will SIGNIFICANTLY decrease the tempo of getting the bigger fights escalating. if you like station games this will screw you as well. all of a sudden everyone will have 5 guys in corp and 50 guys as neuts ready. it will seriously make it harder to get people to come into FW as the risk (or pain the bum anyway) goes up significantly

i pointed out that if they implement the changes it will cascade fail the smaller militias as people wont want to join the losing side as there will be too much money to make on data cores on the winning side. just like the alliance changes have really boosted the mims and basically cut the heart out of amarr in recent weeks

they said once the mechanics are sorted, in play and testing it will be possible to bring the pirate factions into the mix - things are being looked at so this works

on the avatar side they are looking at things like faction warfare medals, uniforms and accessories that can be purchased on the faction LP store and applied to your toon. they will look at ways to get the uniforms to update with ranks and stuff that you have earned in FW. no promises though.

i pointed out to them the broken issue of faction standing loss and then gaining it back being really hard because you've already gone through the promotions. this was new to them.

they were looking into rank having a boosting effect somehow on LP earns. this is good in principle.

they did think about control of the system has incursion style impacts on the systems e.g. better boosts etc, but at the moment they have a "realism" issue with these in incursions and didn't want to repeat the same mistake again, into FW. i agree with this.

i told them that everybody in the room knows that if ccp simply halved the payout of LP on faction missions, and gave us LP for every ship kill or plex we cap, that will fix 95% of the problems we have (not getting fights, making plexing valuable). if they did this right now, and then spent months working out whatever they want to do next, this would be the best approach to take. most people in the room like this and i got a pretty good round of applause for it.

theres probably a whole heap more that i will remember and add over the coming days etc.

+1 good post Zero agree with everything you said. Awesome that CCP have spent time on little old us in FW.

Station stuff made me laugh as someone mentioned it on coms in passing and half my ships have already moved to Tuo :P - "Advanced Chicken Upgrade" lvl 5 completed for me over 1 year ago

I'd only like to add one thing and thats can we have a set of top hats only available in FW for our characters?

Adding datacores to FW LP is simply a dumb idea. Datacores have been around long before FW and have no logical reason to be part of FW LP. If you want to make a change, add them to the R&D corp's LP stores. This eliminates the passive RP generation you want to decrease, while not affected industry/non combat players who are the ones that use datacores.

Also those of us that trained the associated science skills should get a refund. The only reason many people trained those skills were for RP, not invention. If people use them for invention they can go right back to doing it while those of us that do RP only can use them elsewhere. The skill for interacting with R&D agents should be completely refunded if those goes through as well.

Docking rights need to be tied to standings as well as militia membership, so FWarriors can't just drop out of militia with a carrier alt and a mach and grief stations so that we have the same lame bullshit that we have now.

And as far as casual pvp goes, if you don't want to risk losing your systems, you can move back to high sec, or just move in with a larger militia corp that is actually willing to defend their home. More consequences means higher stakes, higher stakes mean more people involved in FW occupancy, and more people involved means more and better fights. It's a win-win imo.

Even now, systems are not flipped that quickly unless one side just gives up or is totally outclassed. With more people playing it will bog down the times as well, so you'll have plenty of opportunity to defend your area. Not to mention, if you don't want to participate in the territory part of FW, you're going to have a much harder time earning isk that you need to pvp with. So you can simply defend your home area by plexing and still make enough to be able to keep affording ships that you fight with in pvp.

with the major blob of the enemy fleet camping the in/out gates to highsec.

It's how we did it back in the old days, it honestly would not bother me. And if I get camped in, then it's my own fault.

The draw to FW for me was to support my faction (lore) and get some good fights (PVP) while living in Low Sec (risk).

Change feedback:
LP for Plexing and PVP is great! Plexes are currently pointless. Ask yourself…can I replace my losses by Plexing / PVPing? This needs to be considered when making these decisions.


LP for system upgrades: Systems should be upgradeable, but the upgrades should only benefit the paying faction. Make each upgrade level spawn faction NPC’s on the gates, stations, and iHub. The higher level of sov, the more / higher quality the NPC’s. This would prevent enemy militia gate camps in sovereign (upgraded) space, and provided a defensive advantage.
In warfare, the defenders always have the advantage of fortification. This change would provide that advantage. If neutrals attack the navy, then the navy attacks back. If neutrals attack a friendly militia member, then the navy joins the fight.
Let us feel like part of the faction we are fighting for, and give us a reason to invest LP into our systems. This would also go hand-in-hand with your (CCP) stated goal of giving NPC’s more PVP like abilities.


Station lockout is terrible. Follow the above idea and put navy spawns at each station to prevent enemies from playing station games in non-sovereign space. Neutrals suffer no ill effects; as well they shouldn’t since they are not in the war.


Datacores to FW LP doesn’t make sense. Please don’t do this. Spend your developer time on fixing the T2 BPO issues that people rage about constantly. Datacores and invention are not broken…please don’t spend time working on things that players do NOT want changed.


EVE Dust link: Here comes the good idea fairy…all those vehicles, guns, barges, etc…seed those to ONLY the FW LP store. We (FW pilots) need a way to make ISK. If you nerf the LP from FW missions and increase the PVP / offensive plex value you will have a winning, non-farmable combination. Defensive plexing should give drastically less LP since a zero SP pilot can just sit in the site and cloak up/warp off when hostiles come in. Offensive plex payout should decrease as a faction acquires more systems…prevents steamrolling by major alliances.


Amarr Victor!


EDIT: I really wish I had the time to go to fanfest. Would have loved to be a part of these discussions.

Datacores are used by industrialist. Not many PvPers are going to buy datacores with their LP from FW. Prices will skyrocket and so will the price of t2 mods. Make them available more through active missioning from R&D agents if they want to nerf the passive...don't make us PvP for them, they prices are just going to skyrocket if the do that.