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Are we going to be FORCED to have DirectX 11 cards???

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#21 - 2012-03-24 19:30:45 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
CCP Peirz wrote:
No.

\o/ thanks for the quick reply Big smileBig smile

I understand maybe DirectX 11 cards being required in a few years but buying another computer so fast after buying this cheap one after Incarna forced me out for 6 months woulda reduced me to tears
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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-03-24 20:00:46 UTC
in like 10 years i think dx 11 will be the standard. so your safe for a while.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-03-24 20:02:55 UTC
I bought this Alienware a couple of years ago but due to some games coming out soon AND especially what i saw in fanfest I'll be getting a new rig in a few months
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-03-24 20:14:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu
DX11 API (unlike the much worse DX10) actually supports several hardware feature sets.

You can do a DX11 API game that runs on DX9, DX10 and DX11 video cards - with obviously the shiny tessellation features turning off if the hardware doesn't support it. So pretty much any card that runs EVE today will still run EVE - just with some shiny feature buttons grayed out on low end hardware. In fact, WoW today runs on DX11 API with DX9 video card feature effects.

However, DX11 API is not available on XP, so any DX11 version of the game client wouldn't run on XP (only Vista/Win7/Win8). It doesn't mean CCP would have to do it like that - Blizzard actually showed how to do it regardless, retaining DX9 API compatibility for XP users.

CCP just have to be non-stupid with the implementation. So, if done right... even with DX11, everything would still run on the hardware and OS you have now running EVE. Just that some new shiny would require you to have DX11 video card (ie. card that isn't more than 2 years old now, 3-4 years old whenever this would be ready).

You would also probably see performance improvement - in WoW DX9/DX11 switch can improve the framerate up to 30%. Visually nothing changes (WoW doesn't have DX11 specific effects) but just by using the better DX11 API, the game runs smoother.

TLDR: Don't worry. DX11 was done a lot smarter than the crappy DX10. It offers better performance and more shiny effects without any backward compatibility issues (if done competently)
Lord Helghast
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-03-24 23:46:33 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
CCP Peirz wrote:
No.

\o/ thanks for the quick reply Big smileBig smile

I understand maybe DirectX 11 cards being required in a few years but buying another computer so fast after buying this cheap one after Incarna forced me out for 6 months woulda reduced me to tears


how do you have a PC recently purchased that doesnt support dx11?

dx11 things are optional, but honestly time to step up guys dx11 has been out for like forever now CCP's been slow in adopting to give people time i mean come on without searching you can get a dx11 card

http://amzn.to/GY0PkV 69$ for dx11, i mean its not great but dx11 is not a reason to complain, especially when its optional lol
Jessy Berbers
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-03-25 00:23:27 UTC
Not to sound offensive but in my country OP.

Cheap is expensive in the end...

so please..spend more on a good expensive machine that will last you for atleast 5 to 7 years...

with PCs it is like, you spend 400 for 1 year and then get outdated and unable to play most/if anything due to already deteriorated CPU/Motherboard/GPU.
and having to spend the next year another 400 on another machine...
have the same happen...having to spend another 400 the year after that...

so yeah beter to spend 1500 for a real good machine, as in the end you'll be cheaper out after 2 or 3 years, as long as you upgrade.

Greets

Jessy.

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Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-03-25 00:40:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarsus Zateki
Direct3D 9 is an obsolete API designed for an obsolete operating system. Its over nine years old at this point and does things in a way that is very different from how modern video hardware actually operates. From a user's point of view this is transparent, but for a developer that works with graphics APIs, Direct3D 10/11 are a joy to work with and make it a lot easier to employ all that fancy silicone we spend hundreds of dollars on. Not to mention the separation of rendering hardware from display hardware that came with DXGI... blah, blah, 'insert more nerd stuff here'

Its time for developers and players to cut the cord and move on. The only reason Direct3D 9 still exists if because consumers keep demanding mediocre gaming experiences.

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Qen Tye
In Between
#28 - 2012-03-25 00:46:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Qen Tye
Has it at all occurred to all of you that tell OP to go upgrade, that not all can afford upgrades every half to whole year ?

Some people in this world have families to provide for and cant just go use cash on new hardware. My computer is 3 years now and I cannot afford new one any time soon.

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Pr1ncess Alia
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-03-25 00:49:45 UTC
WHY DON'T GAMING COMPANIES STILL SUPPORT MY 386 W/ 5 1/4" DISK DRIVE???

AND WHAT IS WITH THE DISK SPACE REQUIRED ON THESE GAMES!?!?!
IT'S WAY BEYOND WHAT MY 4GIG QUANTUM BIGFOOT CAN HOLD!!!!
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#30 - 2012-03-25 00:54:59 UTC
I think thats would be another 5 years down the road until they force you to do so.
Plenty of time to get 20 plexes.

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Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-03-25 00:56:56 UTC
Qen Tye wrote:
Has it at all occurred to all of you that tell OP to go upgrade, that not all can afford upgrades every half to whole year ?

Some people in this world have families to provide for and cant just go use cash on new hardware. My computer is 3 years now and I cannot afford new one any time soon.


You've had many years now to upgrade. If your computer is 3 years old, why don't have you already have a Direct3D 10 compatible card? Its been around since 2006. Technology can't remain stagnant just because some folks are poor or afraid of something new and shiny. Of course Direct3D 10 isn't new and shiny anymore.

Direct3D 10/11 are incredible and the sooner everyone gets on board the sooner devs can stop having to make crappy compromises and stop having to implement fall-back rendering options that increase development times and introduce bugs. Like I said, from a user's point of view there's little difference between Direct3D 9 and 10/11, but for developers its like night and day.

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EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-03-25 00:58:11 UTC
The main DX11 tech they showed was Tessellation, which is optional in every single game that supports it, so why wouldn't CCP make it optional?

(Other than being CCP, of course)
Qen Tye
In Between
#33 - 2012-03-25 01:07:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Qen Tye
Where did I say I did not have DX10 ?

Simply argued that not all can just go out and get new shinies as we have families to provide for, bills to pay and savings should something break down, vacations etc.

Yes of course I have to get new one eventually and no of course I do not expect this running on DX9 forever. However this debate is pointless as CCP already said no and those who can afford new shinies benefits from it.

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zero2espect
Space-Brewery-Association
#34 - 2012-03-25 01:07:28 UTC
no you wont need a new graphics card. but if you want eve to run well and look shiney you will.

if you're on a budget i recommend you never buy the latest, best video card and think that it will keep you current for 3 years. you should either buy the second best card, or the best card of the last series and replace your card every 18months. on a 3 year cycle it will roughly cost you the same but you will have MUCH better framerates and access to "more shiney" on average over the same 3 years.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-03-25 01:22:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarsus Zateki
Qen Tye wrote:
However this debate is pointless as CCP already said no and those who can afford new shinies benefits from it.


Which is unfortunate. Now would be the perfect time for CCP to get rid of their Direct3D 9 renderer, drag it out to the pier and feed it to a shark, something I imagine they could actually pull of where they are. Those are development resources that could be put to the future.

I could just imagine CCP's shader artists after being told Direct3D 9 is dead. Can a person die from too much dancing for joy?

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Copine Callmeknau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-03-25 01:45:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Copine Callmeknau
God forbid you would need to upgrade your 4-generations old graphics card to a 3-generations old graphics card Shocked
It's all a scam because CCP are in cahoots with nVidia, they're going to steal all your money by making you buy a $80 card every 3 years Roll

Worst case scenario you are still running AGP board (please dude, go run errands for your neighbours to pick up a few bucks) and even then you can just upgrade to a second hand Core2d or something, cost you a hundred bucks with processor and RAM included, slap on an old gtx260 or gtx460 for under eighty, and away you go.

I'm personally poor as hell, I get my computer parts because the local bank offers no interest loans of up to 1200 bucks. So I've been taking advantage by doing a $1200 computer upgrade every 10 months or so, all it costs me is $50 a fortnight in repayments.

You might not be lucky enough to get a no-interest, but so long as the interest rate isn't much more than 10% and you aren't taking out loans in excess of a thousand or so it's a very budget-friendly way to make sure you can always run any game in max quality.

Bonus points if you can do a core upgrade (mobo+CPU+RAM) every few years, put the old parts in a cheap case, and get rid of it second-hand for a few hundred.

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impli
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-03-25 07:28:16 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Bad enough with incarna I got booted due to system requirements. Fanfest speakers are showing these great graphics previews & asking the crowd if they want these things & of course they applaud but am I going to have to get a new mother @#$%^!!! computer every year to keep up with the speed up in video card requirements or will my DirectX 10 be good enough for another 2 years?


All 18month computers double the performance .. and U think you will be forced to use a DX11 card in 1 or 1.5 years .. M8 wake the **** up. DX11 will be old technology in 2013 , 2014.
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-03-25 07:39:01 UTC
Not all of us are neckbeard basement-dwellers. Some of us own laptops and other mobile devices that aren't upgradable.
Copine Callmeknau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-03-25 08:50:08 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Not all of us are neckbeard basement-dwellers. Some of us own laptops and other mobile devices that aren't upgradable.

And not all of us were silly enough to buy a laptop expecting to run high-end games


1) Buy laptop in lieu of gaming desktop
2) Be surprised when laptop quickly becomes obselete for gaming
3) Complain on forums
4) ????
5) Profit

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Nairb Hig
Feathered Exploration
#40 - 2012-03-25 08:51:58 UTC
CCP Peirz wrote:
No.


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