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Fanfest: War Declarations

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2012-03-24 19:26:34 UTC
Velicia Tuoro wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
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Wars can no longer be retracted by the aggressor when their want. Therefore more committing...

Before week is up, aggressor chooses to extend. You pay the cost to extend it. Cost can change from week to week, based on size of target corp.

Hmm. This seems contradictory.


Each war runs in week cycles. You pay each week to extend it. But you can't drop the war during a cycle as the aggressor.

I.e. small corp declares war on what looks like a juicy target. They are in it for a week. Within a day of it starting, the declaring corp is suffering a lot of losses because of the allies. They want to drop the war because it is limiting their ability to do anything else, but can't. They have to wait out the full week.

Thanks. Clears things up a bit.

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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#102 - 2012-03-24 19:32:09 UTC
Ah yeah baby. I feel for the Dec Shield corps, your ass is done. Believe it.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2012-03-24 19:33:33 UTC
Velicia Tuoro wrote:
But you can't drop the war during a cycle as the aggressor.
Are you sure? I read it that either side can offer a surrender, but the other side has to accept. If the aggressor surrenders, and the defender accepts, then the war is over.
Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2012-03-24 19:33:44 UTC
NOW RECRUITING TRIAL ACCOUNT MEMBERS! MAKE US SAFE IN HISEC!

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2012-03-24 19:35:58 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
... every war dec brings a fresh stupid loss from the new players who just don't get Eve ...
Maybe you should have done a better job educating them on what EVE is about ... so system shock didn't set in when they realized EVE wasn't Elves in Space.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#106 - 2012-03-24 19:59:38 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
No changes to closed corps & 1 man corps war decking to grief. Closed corps war decks are continueing? Corps can't drop but pilots still can without the war deck following them so expect to see alot of corps opening & closing which miners will use to escape wardecks and alot of old mining corps will be no more.

NOW RECRUITING TRIAL ACCOUNT MEMBERS! MAKE US SAFE IN HISEC!
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#107 - 2012-03-24 20:01:39 UTC
New Wardec ideas show promise, but there's still a lot of room for improvement.

Wardec fees should be based on the size of the attacker not the defender, or flat fees that are not prohibitively expensive should be used.

NPC corps also need to be addressed, I think after a character reaches 3 months of age NPC corp tax should go up to 51%. Only exception being FW militias which should remain the same.
Adunh Slavy
#108 - 2012-03-24 20:15:10 UTC
Attacker/defender difference in size should be more the metric than just defender size. Similar sized corps would cost less, more dissimilar would cost more, in addition to number of wars.

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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#109 - 2012-03-24 20:18:19 UTC
Xorv wrote:


NPC corps also need to be addressed, I think after a character reaches 3 months of age NPC corp tax should go up to 51%. Only exception being FW militias which should remain the same.


Until they do something to lock players in to decced corps and turn them in to prisons there is little point in raising the NPC taxes higher. There will just be a group of free to jump corps (the new dec shield) or players will just burn another 1.5 million isk to make a new one, and his pursuers need to burn 20.5 million isk to give chase. Unless there is a POS invovled it doesn't really matter.

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Cailais
The Red Pill Taker Group
#110 - 2012-03-24 20:25:42 UTC
On balance I like the way theyre headed, not perfect perhaps but a damn sight better than the currently useless system.

Time to buy some ammo.

C.
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#111 - 2012-03-24 20:26:57 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
You do realize that cost is the only effective defense a target corp industry corp has?

I know many of you can't belive it, but there are actual many EvE players who enjoy mining+trading+manufacturing. And these guys don't just want to be target-dummys for you pewpew guys!


What about the times a rival industrial corporation wants to eliminate its competition by hiring muscle to put the squeeze on their operations?

What about the times an aggrieved player wants to hire some mercenaries to shut down a griefer's activity?

What about the times when some corporation undergoes an internal theft, and wants to exact revenge on the thief?

See, the assumption you're working on is that every single war that happens is purely a grief war. Well, you know what they say about assumptions...


And where is the mechanic to control this stuff?

- Merc corp uses alts to wardec random indu corp.
- Indu corp search for some strong arms to protect them
- the Mercs who used their alts to wardec this indu corp show up and defend the indus against their own alts ...

And yes, I see every singel wardec as a grif-dec.
It's up to you, to show me a singel wardec in the past 7 years which was no grif-dec.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Velicia Tuoro
Light Speed Interactive
#112 - 2012-03-24 20:51:07 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Velicia Tuoro wrote:
But you can't drop the war during a cycle as the aggressor.
Are you sure? I read it that either side can offer a surrender, but the other side has to accept. If the aggressor surrenders, and the defender accepts, then the war is over.



I'm not sure on that actually. I suspect surrenders would accept it. That would make sense, but the aggressor can't just drop the war.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#113 - 2012-03-24 22:25:39 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Ah yeah baby. I feel for the Dec Shield corps, your ass is done. Believe it.

As the owner of one such alliance, I can only say: best news ever. The business opportunitites this opens up (especially if they take some of the roundtable suggestionsto heart) are enormous.

Also, indy corps will be immensely better equipped to defend themselves after this.

There are a few obvious exploits (which may just be due to poor wording on the devs' part) that need to be ironed out, but aside from that…

Oh, and it seems fairly likely that corp-hopping will get a mighty schwack in some different ways.
foxnod
Perkone
Caldari State
#114 - 2012-03-24 22:37:52 UTC
So far sounds good. The costs are on the prohibitive side and they still need to do something about corp hoppers. Nice to see CCP not pandering to the worthless carebears for a change.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#115 - 2012-03-24 22:47:34 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Wow this war dec stuff seems like its going to kill small starting up corps completely. Now there's no way out of wars, no downside for aggressors but a massive downside for defenders. It's basically going to be, disband your corp or log off.


Strange feeling about this, NPC corps are about to see their demographics explode?

There are tons of tears incoming, nice was just about to cook some stuff.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2012-03-24 22:50:48 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
And yes, I see every singel wardec as a grif-dec.
It's up to you, to show me a singel wardec in the past 7 years which was no grif-dec.
Go back to Star Trek Online, please.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2012-03-24 22:53:08 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Wow this war dec stuff seems like its going to kill small starting up corps completely.
Small starter corps have been doing fine the past eight years. These changes actually make things a tad easier for them.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#118 - 2012-03-24 22:54:55 UTC
Was there anything about being able to push a button and declare war on ALL OF EVE? This is important because of some plans we have for Jita coming soon.

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2012-03-24 22:55:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Tanya Powers wrote:
Strange feeling about this, NPC corps are about to see their demographics explode?
Because the game didn't exist before this moment in time. The new wardec mechanics are far superior to what existed before (during which highsec continued to boom [no pun intended]). This new system gives better options and protection to everyone. If highsec was okay beforehand, it will continue to be okay after this new system is released.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2012-03-24 22:55:58 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Was there anything about being able to push a button and declare war on ALL OF EVE? This is important because of some plans we have for Jita coming soon.
Yes. You can only aggress in a fixed numbers of wars concurrently.