EVE General Discussion

I typed this up quite a while ago, but I think it's as relevant now as ever:

http://eve-search.com/thread/20581-1

I'll paste the important section below:

The New War Cost Formula

- Make a single entity's outgoing wars completely independent of each other.
- Make no distinction in cost between wars where alliances are involved, and wars where they are not.
- Potentially shorten the war duration.
- Make outgoing corporate war votes instantaneous, the same way allied votes are.
- Adopt a new formula that determines war cost, as follows:

War cost is determined by the amount of characters in the corporation/alliance that declares war, and balanced against the amount of players in the corporation/alliance that receives it.

The base per-character unit cost of war should be an amount of ISK that will be fairly determined by the devs and CSM. For the sake of example and simplicity, let's say that value is 1 million ISK. A 50-person corporation declaring war would have a base bill of 50 million ISK per week.

Now comes the balancing part, and it's really simple: simply multiply the base bill by the ratio of characters in the entity that declares war versus characters in the entity that is declared upon. For example, if corporation A (50 members) declares war, and corporation B receives it, then:

If corporation B has 10 members, the bill becomes [50 * (50/10)] = 250 million ISK.
If corporation B has 50 members, the bill becomes [50 * (50/50)] = 50 million ISK.
If corporation B has 100 members, the bill becomes [50 * (50/100)] = 25 million ISK.

Now, what happens if corporation B has incoming wars from multiple entities? Once again, the answer is simple. Simply adjust the bill by the new ratio of total characters belonging to all entities that declare versus the total character count of the receiving entity. For example, let's say corporations X (10 members) and Y (40 members) join the hostilities by declaring war on corporation B. The base bill now becomes:

If corporation B has 10 members, the bill becomes [100 * (100/10)] = 1,000 million (1 billion) ISK.
If corporation B has 50 members, the bill becomes [100 * (100/50)] = 200 million ISK.
If corporation B has 100 members, the bill becomes [100 * (100/100)] = 100 million ISK.

This "base bill" should then be proportionately split between corporations A, X, and Y (corporation A pays 50%, X pays 10%, and Y pays 40%).


This would be too easily exploited by alt corps.


They should make the ability to sue for peace work in both directions.

First: Thank you for this excellent list. Very well put together, this is exactly what I wanted.

All of this, I really like. The overall look of these improvements is fantastic, and I really like the way CCP is taking this -- I'm very relieved. Almost everything that we discussed in the round table has already been discussed separately by CCP as something they are already looking at.

BUT

That last bit is SUPER important. If it costs more PER MEMBER in the defending corporation, we will get bloated super-corps. 500k per subscribed account, I can possibly accept; per character, absolutely not. Directors of corps will flood their member numbers with useless alts to protect themselves from incoming wars; we can't allow this to happen. In fact, even if only unique subscribed accounts work, how can you make it safe from exploits? What if three friendly corporations make a pact and put their un-used alts into each other's corps? I don't see how you can determine this number.

I have already made an argument for flat war fees here; consider it as you will.

In case you missed it: if you want to fight Goonswarm you can simply take your fleet to VFK. You don't have to pribe CONCORD to be able to do that.

indeed its all about ganking not fights. or do you think wardeccing has been anything else ever?

Pro-tip: To anyone bitching that decs will be expensive, that complain unfair it might be if CCP does not institute a by-account and not per character, ect ect WHINE WHINE WHINE! NOT FAIR! NOT FAIR! I WANNA! I WANNA! LET ME SHOOT THEM!!!! ad nausem -

1. GTFO of highsec
2. Gank
3. Corp infiltration?

Oh, look at that. Still viable ways you can **** over other people or not even deal with the annoying issues of highsec. You don't need to play lol-honorable COD duels at 15 paces, this is EVE and nothing says you can't lose sec status in the process or us an alt spy....unless you are really risk adverse to still hide behind CONCORD protection except in the issue of the one corp you dec or want to /wrist yourself when AFKing a POS

if you don't want pvp stay in NPC cops.


but getting people to join you isn't that hard. hell some people will do it for free just for some action.
but you better tip them.

remember your mining supplies endless death and destruction. so don't play like your any less evil then us.

I suppose so, by paying a billion ISK back and forth. Is that less of a concern than some poor little corp being used as an "ISK faucet" because they made a bad choice?

My new hobby:

Dec someone with alt corp A

Contact them with Alt corp B offering to come in and help as mercs...for a fee.

(note: I'm saying this is an upside, not a downside to the new rules. I find this idea hilarious...and potentially profitable)

Yes and No.

The problem arises if (and when) you have null sec alliances that also have a number of corps based in high sec.

With the proposed war dec costs being talked about those corps who are based in high sec will be virtually safe due to the cost.

You might also want to war dec a null sec alliance if you want to stop or hinder them in using major high sec trade hubs as well.

For me all these changes will do is make it safer for larger alliances which is pants

- I'll fully agree to the base cost of 2 mil being silly low
- CCP seems to agree that idiotic high cost (due to a fail mechanic atm) can be too high
- I can see the logic of making target corp size a factor in cost but there needs to be a ceiling as numbers can become rediculous (just do the math on deccing EVE UNI or goons, see what happens) and you'll just introduce another opt-out
- if you make target corp size an increasing factor, you can also make aggressor corp size one: if you have less than 50, 20 or 5 members (numbers are ofcourse negotiable) that could give 3 stages of lowering cost, deccing a corp while you have 50 or more members should be more expensive than when you only have 3.

I'm not sure on the ally thing, an ally can already help you out by simply deccing the aggressors. Also, (sorry if this is already mentioned somewhere) who are the devs working on this?